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The Irony Of It All
Brad Hollerbach

Why I'm Not Voting For The School Bond Proposition

Posted Wednesday, March 24, 2010, at 2:00 PM

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  • I agree with you Brad, the numbers don't fit what they are asking for. I really respect someone who disagrees with a popular opinion, but has the data to back up their opinion.

    -- Posted by mynameismud on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 1:09 AM
  • My real heartburn in this bond issue lies with the high school. I have been told that teachers in the junior high and high school receive two prep periods per day. They are the only teachers in the area to receive this perk. By reducing the prep periods to the standard of one, the school's classrooms are better utilized and the "too small" new school becomes just the right size. Any business would utilize a scarce resource this way. It should also allow the school to save some money by using these teacher's to teach an additional class per day. I have questioned the district's ability to manage these improvements (if it passed) while they should be focusing on their horrible test scores and drop-out rate, and the comment was made, "We should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." The school district hasn't even shown an ability to crawl towards respectable academic standards across their student demographics, and I don't give infants gum, or wads of taxpayer cash, to chew on. Build some confidence in your ability to manage our schools appropriately and the taxpayers will reward you, but "Show-Me" first.

    -- Posted by Jones on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 5:43 AM
  • What frustrates me is that the school district doesn't even maintain the buildings they have now. What happened to the concept of setting aside money for roof repair; HVAC repair/replacement; Information Technology, plumbing and electrical updates? This school district has never been fiscally responsible. Why should we give them more money to throw away? Thanks but no thanks. They won't get my vote until they change their way of thinking.

    -- Posted by Chilin' on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 9:11 AM
  • I found this bit of information in an opinion piece in the Tuesday, March 16 issue of the Wall Street Journal interesting. The article discussed the merits of charter schools and student performance.

    The author noted that "the performance of American high school students has hardly budged over the last 40 years while the per-pupil cost of operating the schools they attended has increased threefold in real dollar terms."

    The whole article makes a strong case in favor of charter schools and further highlights why the U.S. K-12 public education model just doesn't work. Here's the link to the article:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703909804575123470465841424.html

    Thanks for reading.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 9:57 AM
  • Brad,

    I don't really have a dog in this hunt, but I'm back in Cape for a few weeks gathering current content for my Cape blog.

    (See photos and factoids about Franklin school here:

    http://www.capecentralhigh.com/cape-photos/franklin-the-school-with-no-name/

    My brother and I were talking about the stadium. I was postulating that there might be savings in rent and additional revenue from concessions that might offset the costs of a new stadium, but then we came up with a bunch of negatives:

    1. You may not pay rent, but you will be paying for maintenance and upkeep.

    2. If the city's goal is to keep the downtown and Broadway business districts alive, keeping CHS football at Houck Stadium helps.

    If I'm coming from Sikeston or Perryville, going to Houck takes me past a whole bunch of Broadway businesses. If I have time to kill before or after the game, I'm likely to say, "Let's go look at the river and see what's going on downtown."

    That traffic will never get there if the stadium is built near the I-55 corridor.

    3. Houck Stadium is at SEMO. If a student is walking by and sees the stadium lights on and hears the crowd roar, he or she is more likely to look over the cliff and be drawn into Cape community life than if the game is played miles away.

    4. An intangible: Maybe "big city" Cape players won't feel any awe at playing on the university campus because they live here, but if I'm a small-town team, I might feel a little differently about it. Plus, it might entice me to attend SEMO.

    -- Posted by ksteinhoff on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 9:58 AM
  • I am constantly in awe of the gall that it takes to come up with these sorts of proposals. You are totally right Brad! I remember well when the new high school was originally built. It was to compete with the new Notre Dame. We voted it down repeatedly because we saw no clear need for it and 3 different times they tried to slip it back into the ballot. On the 3rd try after it had been considerably downsized and on an off-year election, it passed. Then they tried immediately to get more money to get more stuff for the new school with another tax increase.

    Now low and behold, Notre Dame is getting ready to expand again due to INCREASED enrollment. Central MAGICALLY needs to expand too, even though they have lower enrollment than they did when it opened.

    I think that Cape Central has quite the inferiority complex between competing with both Jackson and Notre Dame. They are both clearly better schools than Central is if you look at the academics.

    I suggest that Central needs to look to the books instead of the structure and maybe you will need to expand with new students flooding your hallways.

    -- Posted by jcwill on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 1:51 PM
  • Brad,

    You have more information than the school board or the central administration. The Southeast Missourian should print your comments in the newspaper.

    Keep up your investigation. Every voter in the Cape Girardeau Public School district should know the facts.

    -- Posted by Buccaneer on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 6:39 PM
  • Brad, I agree. This would be a good time to think about saving up some tax money instead of a plan to spend what we haven't got.

    The rural school I attended built new and the extra money for the expanded gym. came from private donations. And school taxes there are still high, but as far as I know they do a good job educating.

    -- Posted by Old John on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 7:10 PM
  • Let's dig a little deeper. You have a high school principal and an asst. supt. that believes that the SAT should be the the exit level exam. Give me a break. The SAT is a predicter of college success. What curriculum is the SAT attached? Jeeze! What a joke! Evidently the Cape Public Schools is attached to the SAT. The candidate for mayor feels and has written that the current curriculum is great and it needs no audit. His rationale, he was a former Board member. Again, let's pay attention to the facts and vote.

    -- Posted by Buccaneer on Wed, Mar 24, 2010, at 9:57 PM
  • Closing Franklin School? To put it mildly, we are not amused! Keep your cotton pickin' hands off that school.

    -- Posted by voyager on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:22 AM
  • Well at least Voyager, I'm not saying tear it down as the district has decided is the best course of action.

    Is the school still "Franklin" if you tear down all of it except the gym and build a new building? Is the building "Franklin" or the plot of land it occupies in the Sunset neighborhood "Franklin?" I dunno.

    Considering how nice of a job the developers have done on the "rattle-trap" -- or so we were told -- Schultz school, I would actually be optimistic that Franklin could have a useful second life without being torn down.

    The only catch to that rosey scenario is that it looks like the state will be slashing those historic tax credits which have helped fund a lot of older building renovations throughout the state. That might not bode well for large building like Franklin needing some TLC in this economic climate.

    Thanks for reading.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 8:23 AM
  • I'm voting NO

    -- Posted by Egotistical_Bigot on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:01 PM
  • If the bank sent you a notice and said that your mortgage was going to be extended for 10 years, your payment would not increase, would you consider that an increase? Would you vote for it?

    -- Posted by IonU on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 6:48 PM
  • Actually, Observation and Thoughts, I don't think I need a sit down with Dr. Welker. It would not change my opinion as it would obviously not change yours since you have a vested interest in construction projects going ahead.

    While the Missourian Editorial Board -- which I am not a member of -- has come out in favor of this matter, bloggers are treated like Speakout comments. It's their opinion.

    And I base my opinion on reading a whole lot of original source material and developing my own opinion rather than be told "what is good." While there are some definitive "needs" in this bond proposal, there are far too many unnecessary "wants" that have little to do with education.

    I will be voting no.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Wed, Mar 31, 2010, at 12:55 PM
  • Brad,

    How do you know that Observations and Thoughts has a "vested interest in construction projects going ahead"?

    -- Posted by Scott Horrell on Wed, Mar 31, 2010, at 2:33 PM
  • Observation and Thoughts,

    You're right. That was a speculative comment. I apologize. And while I consider opinion and commentary to be basically synonymous, I guess you are technically correct. I have given my beliefs based on my analysis of the situation and the data.

    I don't know how you can believe the high school NEEDS 16 classrooms when the overall student population has been decreasing for years and the high school's average square feet per student is well within the Districts Master Plan's range of 160 to 200 square feet? Is the Master Plan wrong and the square footage should be 200 to 240?

    But in the meantime the school district is able to lease extra space at the CTC right next door to the community college initiative. One would think the high school needs those classroom worse.

    And if space is so tight in the district, then where are the temporary classroom trailers? Columbia Missouri is asking for a $120 million no-tax levy increase next week for very good reason. They're currently using 164 temporary classroom trailers.

    And Cape, isn't using any, anywhere in the district. Not a one.

    And lets talk about the football stadium. That has absolutely nothing to do with education. It has everything to do with egos and I don't feel it should be subsidized by the taxpayers.

    Anyhow, that's my opinion and I will still be voting No.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Wed, Mar 31, 2010, at 3:48 PM
  • There are alot of lessons to be learned on a football field, track field, band field, soccer field, baseball field, softball field, etc. that you cannot get in the classroom. No less important what so ever.

    Give proof of your ego charge and not just your opinion of others motivation and I will abandon any support I have ever had for sports programs and anything that sustains them. Trying to make it about egos is counter productive, biased and inaccurate. In everything a lesson if you care to extract it.

    -- Posted by Scott Horrell on Wed, Mar 31, 2010, at 5:01 PM
  • Scott, I never said anything about the fields nor did I mention whose egos I specifically referred. Yes, I agree lessons can be learned on sporting fields.

    But the Stadium portion of this bond issue is primarily for the SPECTATORS not the athletes and a lot of those spectators are proud parents and grandparents and other people who are no longer actually in school. It's their egos who I refer to.

    In my opinion, stadium bleachers and concession stands have little to do with education unless the FBLA happens to be running the concession stand.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Wed, Mar 31, 2010, at 9:53 PM
  • So we should not set up chairs in the Commons for awards recognition or any other function based on what you just said because the parents, grandparents, spectators are just there for their own egos also? Your reaching Brad.

    -- Posted by Scott Horrell on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 12:33 PM
  • I'm not saying it's not OK for people to bring their own seating to watch their kids or their grandkids. Happens all the time at softball fields, the park, and other public venues. People bring their own chairs.

    I don't feel that money from a school bond issue should pay for seating that has nothing to do with education. It's there for the spectators. And to say otherwise I think is reaching.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 1:08 PM
  • And what is wrong with having bleachers, etc. for all the ego driven spectators whose taxes paid for it? Just because you can't assign a quantative value to its absolute relevance to what you perceive education is or should be does not mean it has nothing to do with education. There are hundreds of school districts in the nation that seem to disagree since they built stadiums for their schools and continue to do so. For some kids, they would drop out if it weren't for a sport. They are motivated to uphold grades to be able to play. If you agree that there is an education to be had of a different type than the classroom on the field of competition then why do you begrudge one sport (actually two-track also) from facilitating their program with a true home field. Don't argue about Houck either because it is not a true home field. When you bus there and back (band and football team), get no concession revenue, have no control over your scheduling, don't have regular dressing/locker rooms, cannot personalize the stadium except for our orange pads on the goal posts that have to be removed when done, and don't touch the field but 5 times a year, then that is no home field. We appreciate its use but it's a local field not true home field in that respect.

    Example: Let's say Jackson and Cape play their opening season game against each other at Jackson. Who has the home field advantage? Jackson of course because they have access to the field. Now, they play the same opener at Houck, who has the advantage? Not Cape because it is the first time they have seen the field all year and lately Jackson brings more people. Same basic thing with track.

    -- Posted by Scott Horrell on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 7:54 PM
  • Scott, obviously you are passionate about this stadium and we could discuss this difference of opinion considerably longer and neither one of us will ever change the other's opinion. You believe all the taxpayers should pay for it, and I believe the boosters should foot the bill.

    Really neither of our opinions matter. The people who are going to vote in this election have made up their minds.

    My feeling is that IF this bond issue fails it will be because of one of three things:

    1. The fact the economy is still in the doldrums and experts regarding our own state's fiscal outlook don't predict any growth for 5 to 7 years. A lot of people are seeing the pain in their own jobs and even though this is non-tax-increase bond issue, it's still a TAX. People hate taxes.

    2. The fact that Franklin will be demolished if this bond issue passes. Mr. Rediger running for mayor will likely bring out a higher than average number of older citizen who have a soft spot in their hearts for the old Franklin school.

    3. The football stadium. I know several graduates from Notre Dame who are specifically opposed to this bond issue just because of the stadium. I know some teachers too who feel that it isn't neccessary.

    I guess we'll see what happens on Tuesday.

    Thanks for reading and sharing your opinion.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 9:11 PM
  • I wish the boosters had the resources to do that. Private funding was always preferable to me, but I guess the project is too big for just a few people relatively speaking. I don't like taxes any more than you. If this required a higher tax rate I don't know that I would be altogether for it. We just have a unique opportunity. Thanks for the forum Brad. It's been fun. God bless.

    -- Posted by Scott Horrell on Thu, Apr 1, 2010, at 9:59 PM
  • O&T,

    I realize that extensively renovating nearly 100 year old buildings -- like Franklin -- will always cost more than building new, especially when you start talking about seismic retrofits on a masonry building. There are often bugaboos you just don't know about until you start tearing open walls.

    I thought from the beginning that the estimate for Franklin seismic retrofits was way off in the District's original master plan (think it was $300 grand). Guess I was right since the estimate doubled from September to November.

    But voting is not always about dollars and cents or practicality. There's that sentimental factor that sometimes comes in to play especially when you start talking about a building someone attended elementary school at 50 years ago. That's all I'm saying.

    I could be wrong regarding the reasons why this bond issue MIGHT fail, but if it does I still think these 3 things are key.

    Good point about the property tax levy and the other negatives if the Bond Issue doesn't pass. While the "Yes Schools" mailer concentrated on the positive aspects it never mentioned any of the negatives if it failed.

    I know that people don't like to publicize gloom and doom, but perhaps the Yes Schools committee should have included a little "What If This Doesn't Pass" scenario in the mailer explaining what might happen in that case.

    As far as Dr. Welker "educating" me on this issue, I don't see that happening. I've sent him a couple emails with specific bond issue questions and he hasn't responded. But I can understand that.

    I'm not a reporter or a school board member or have kids in the public school system, just a part-time blogger and a full-time taxpayer.

    But, thank YOU for reading.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Apr 2, 2010, at 11:57 AM