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The Irony Of It All
Brad Hollerbach

Are The Wymans Too Big To Fail?

Posted Friday, July 24, 2009, at 11:19 AM

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  • Too big to fail?? What's that old saying? "The bigger they are, the harder they fall?" Madoff not only failed, he also went to jail. Clients suffered before Madoff failed, and still are suffering. Does that mean the court should have just absolved his criminal sins, because it won't bring those poor folks money back?

    A little perspective here Brad. Big, Small, Medium...we're all required to pay our taxes. Shouldn't matter if you're AIG, GM (which was forced to go bankrupt) or the Wymans. Everybody has to pay, and the Wymans are no exception. Truth be known, they probably copped a Commander Premier, and got another glorious Klink tax/rent absolvsion

    -- Posted by Grandpa_Sassy on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 1:00 PM
  • Grandpa_Sassy, I agree with you. No business is too big to fail. If they fail, they fail. Then smarter businesses pick up the pieces.

    A friend of mine suggested that in this case the delay in payment was a business decision, that it was cheaper to pay the county its penalty rather than take out a loan on existing property and pay the property taxes in a timely mannner.

    But I did the math on the property tax penalties, and it's no bargain. Currently the interest rate on those delinquent properties is about 22%.

    By the way, my property taxes are escrowed by my bank, and my wife and I dutifully pay our personal property taxes every year between Christmas and New Years.

    Thanks for reading.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 1:57 PM
  • Brad,

    I also escrow my taxes (which seems to be the smart thing to do) Look at us, two pioneers of business smarts and making under $100,000 a year.

    -- Posted by capetowndown on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 2:42 PM
  • I escrow my taxes and insurance and including them in on the cost of the mortgage seems like a no brainer to me.

    Obviously you can opt-out, but I don't see the point. I'm sure some of these get-rich-quick-in-real-estate gurus that you see on TV probably advise NOT to let the banks escrow YOUR money. After all it is YOUR money. Why save it in an escrow account to pay for things like taxes at the end of the year, when you can be leveraging that money to buy more property?

    Pardon if I come across a bit cynical. I guess that's why I'll never be a real estate millionaire.

    TFR

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 2:58 PM
  • Nil, considering other costs that occur at the end of the year besides property taxes -- personal property taxes, insurance, The Holidays in general -- it's a convenience my wife and I don't mind.

    I'm not saying it's for everyone, but it works for us. The key to not escrowing as you pointed out, is not to be financially irresponsible.

    TFR

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 3:38 PM
  • Smart move, Just__Me. Frostbite is never a good thing, especially... well you know where.

    TFR

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 4:55 PM
  • Mel,

    You probably care, because you pay your taxes. Pretty reasonable if you ask me.

    -- Posted by Grandpa_Sassy on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 7:42 PM
  • Brad. Have you ever heard that you might have a face for radio? Well, obviously, you don't have an intellect for newspaper writing. That said, the law is the law. A liquor license elevates you you to a new level. Think about the children. If you can't pay you your taxes, well... There is a social responsibility component that you all are missing.

    -- Posted by girardeaud on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 8:31 PM
  • Mel I think that is the crux of the matter. Would the city do the same for another business owner.

    What if a bar had a couple run ins with the city or the police and were turned down for a liquor license? Based on this precedents, that bar ownership could simple change their corporate structure -- but not their ownership -- and be OK for another liquor license. They would be a new business with a clean slate.

    This could open a can of worms.

    TFR

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 8:36 PM
  • Girardeaud, I'm well aware of the poor, poor children. No one is saying that the Wymans are not going to pay their taxes, they just pay them slowly. The schools do eventually get their money although I'm not sure who gets the interest and penalties.

    If you think I don't have the intellect for newspaper writing, that's OK by me. Think what you want. I don't care. I do this blog strictly gratis.

    The intent of many of these blogs is for entertainment -- starting with me. I make no claims that these are a well-balanced editorial or op-ed pieces. Often times they are drivel that happen to make me laugh.

    TFR

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Fri, Jul 24, 2009, at 9:01 PM
  • frazzled63701: Why would you wish that someone's business would fail? Are you evil? Jealous? Immature? Ignorant? I certainly hope you are not out in the community presenting yourself to be a good Christian businessman or woman.

    -- Posted by WisdomSeeker on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 6:17 AM
  • WisomSeeker:

    Good Christian business people pay their taxes according to Matthew 22:21!

    -- Posted by Yankee Station on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 7:57 AM
  • WisomSeeker:

    "Good Christian business people pay their taxes according to Matthew 22:21!"

    *clapping* Ohh Touche Yankee. Good one!

    IMO Downtown was MUCH better before the Wymans came along.

    -- Posted by Grandpa_Sassy on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 8:51 AM
  • I believe that those who make bad business decisions and spend money like their is no tomorrow living a lavish luxurious lifestyle while not paying taxes deserves to fail. Just like those who commit crimes deserve to go to jail.

    You think I am evil because I want justice? NO OTHER business owner in Cape Girardeau is getting by with oweing $67000 in back taxes!!!!!!!

    Amen Yankeestation!

    -- Posted by Skeptic1 on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 10:21 AM
  • Just_Me,

    Because something is legal, doesn't mean that it's correct.

    I am as vocal of an anti-tax advocate as you will ever want to meet. However, if I failed to pay even $68 of taxes that I owed, much less $68,000, I would be very up close and personal with the buisness end of the government's gun faster than I could say Premier.

    And I also guarantee you that an elected body of officials would not write and honor loopholes in burdonsome, unfair, and overcomplicated tax codes for my exclusive privalege.

    This issue is not about "wealth envy". It is about government being bought and handled by the elite at every conceivable level: from a hick town like Cape to Jeff City to Washington DC and beyond.

    -- Posted by Lumpy on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 12:45 PM
  • You have poison ivy growing in your field of $100 bills, Just_Me? Bummer!

    -- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Jul 25, 2009, at 2:05 PM
  • Why close it down? that would just mean more unemployment and using my taxes for umemployment bennifets.They are paying their taxes, let them keep their license and stay in bussiness to pay up on taxes.

    -- Posted by mogearjammer on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 9:39 PM
  • Actually, I never suggested they close down Mollies. Liquor license is separate from a business license. They could operate without a liquor license. No, they wouldn't be nearly as profitable.

    What I'm concerned about is the precedence this potentially sets when the city has a bar that deserves to be shut down due to police problems or what have you. Based on the shell-game being conducted in this case, all that owner would need to do to be considered a brand-new business by the city is to form a new LLC. The problem doesn't go away, it just changes names.

    TFR.

    -- Posted by Brad_Hollerbach on Mon, Jul 27, 2009, at 9:49 PM
  • This reminds me of the game MONOPOLY. Sometimes you have to pay the LUXURY tax or the PROPERTY tax and sometimes your little thimble doesn't make it past GO and you either lose your excess amount of property to other players, the bank, or you simply go bankrupt. That's the whole point of the game to run a MONOPOLY and not go bust.

    Mollies is their Park Place or Boardwalk. It's money, big money if somebody lands on it with a hotel. But the other property, the lesser property, like when you get around the board past GO to the purple and blue side of the board...yeah, not so much. But you can get rid of that to keep what's important and what's a money-maker. I mean, come on. All that property and you can't sell any of it? You raise the rent but don't raise the standards of the living or business conditions?

    Karma's a b#*ch and she's ******.

    -- Posted by nicowhoa on Tue, Jul 28, 2009, at 1:24 PM