Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 11:00 AM:
The president's campaign has been under investigation for colluding with foreigners to unfairly influence the election.
The attorney general had to recuse himself from the investigation because he had met with the foreigners and then lied about it to Congress.
The National Security Adviser was fired due to dealing with the foreigners.
The FBI director was fired and the president admits it was due to the investigation.
The press secretary abruptly resigns after six months on the job.
The president gives administration jobs which do not require Congressional approval to close family members.
The president continually speaks regarding the election and attacks the opponent he beat.
The president publicly attacks the Attorney General for a) not investigating said opponent and b) recusing himself from an investigation where he would give the appearance of bias.
The president demands loyalty.
The president begins the 2020 campaign on inauguration day and regularly holds campaign rallies.
The communications director (a Harvard-trained lawyer) tweets that the release of publicly available information is "a felony."
How can anyone continue to support this administration? It's clearly an unorganized mess. If the president has so little control over his own administration, how can anyone still think he's the right person to lead the entire country?
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Mic2: Straight from the DNC website or did you think those up by yourself?
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The president's campaign has been under investigation for colluding with foreigners to unfairly influence the election.
Where's the proof of any wrong doing - nothing after months of investigation.
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The attorney general had to recuse himself from the investigation because he had met with the foreigners and then lied about it to Congress.
If he recused himself due to a meeting with an Russian ambassador that 3/4 of Washington has also met then he is being an upright AG....don't believed he lied if he recused himself.
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The National Security Adviser was fired due to dealing with the foreigners.
He was fired by not being truthful to the President. Lots of people in prior administrations were fired for one reason or another.
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The FBI director was fired and the president admits it was due to the investigation.
Comey was fired due to lack of confidence of his ability to perform his duties which is a right of the President.
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The press secretary abruptly resigns after six months on the job.
He's not the first to quit an won't be the last. The job of press secretary is a tough job that some can't handle.
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The president gives administration jobs which do not require Congressional approval to close family members.
Is it illegal....no it isn't. What about JFK given the AG job to RFK.
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The president continually speaks regarding the election and attacks the opponent he beat.
Obama kept blaming everything on Bush II.
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The president publicly attacks the Attorney General for a) not investigating said opponent and b) recusing himself from an investigation where he would give the appearance of bias.
There has been more potential evidence against Hillary's email case that has come to light (google Judicial Watch). AG Sessions can't do his job since he recused himself - would you want a person working for you that couldn't do the job fully.
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The president demands loyalty.
All Presidents wants/demands loyalty from those working for him....just like any boss wants loyalty from the employees.
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The president begins the 2020 campaign on inauguration day and regularly holds campaign rallies.
Where were you during Obama's first term....he was campaign-in-chief.
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The communications director (a Harvard-trained lawyer) tweets that the release of publicly available information is "a felony."
He has since omitted his error....don't know of any politician who was not guilty of foot in mouth.
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How can anyone continue to support this administration? It's clearly an unorganized mess. If the president has so little control over his own administration, how can anyone still think he's the right person to lead the entire country?
Because he is the Legal President of the USA and none of your above DNC talking points proves anything.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
It was obvious from the start that the SO conservatives were going to have a hard time with facts.
The above is a good example of their obfuscating.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:02 PM
If what is happening in the White House in spite of, or because of all of the fake news and accusations from the Democrats and fake Republicans takes us back to BBHO.... I am fine with it.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:04 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:02 PM
Common: The truth hurts you and the other Resistance group doesn't it. Very sad indeed to hate a President the way you all do....very sad to confuse the facts with your fictional outlook of the Administration.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:06 PM
The above is a good example of their obfuscating.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:02 PM
Really? Whatever it is, beats your lying.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:07 PM
"...or because of all of the fake news and accusations from the Democrats and fake Republicans..."
It seems that your definition of "fake news" is anything you disagree with.
What are some examples of "fake news?"
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:10 PM
What are some examples of "fake news?"
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:10 PM
Common: The above thread.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:22 PM
"Whatever it is, beats your lying."
Exactly what is it that you think are "lies?"
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:25 PM
"The above thread."
All of the issues brought up are true. You admitted as much in your first response. What's fake?
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:29 PM
If he recused himself due to a meeting with an Russian ambassador that 3/4 of Washington has also met then he is being an upright AG....don't believed he lied if he recused himself.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
Except he recused himself because he met with Russians during the campaign, and then, when asked during his confirmation hearings said he had not.
He was fired by not being truthful to the President. Lots of people in prior administrations were fired for one reason or another.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
That's even worse! The president was okay with the inappropriate dealings with Russia, but not dishonesty?
Comey was fired due to lack of confidence of his ability to perform his duties which is a right of the President..-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
No, Trump said it was because of the "Russia thing." And while it is the president's right, it is very, very unusual.
Is it illegal....no it isn't. What about JFK given the AG job to RFK..-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
No, not illegal, but highly questionable ethically. Attorney General requires Congressional approval, and even then many thought it was inappropriate.
Obama kept blaming everything on Bush II.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
No, he blamed the recession on Bush, since it was almost completely during Bush's term. It was over 6 months into Obama's.
Besides, Clinton wasn't the former president; she was the person HE BEAT!
There has been more potential evidence against Hillary's email case that has come to light (google Judicial Watch). AG Sessions can't do his job since he recused himself - would you want a person working for you that couldn't do the job fully.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
If Trump wants Sessions to investigate, he should ask Sessions to, not blast him on Twitter. Trump's the boss, after all. Sometimes doing your job means avoiding areas where you cannot (or would appear to not be) impartial. A special prosecutor has been assigned.
All Presidents wants/demands loyalty from those working for him....just like any boss wants loyalty from the employees.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
Congress doesn't work for him.
Where were you during Obama's first term....he was campaign-in-chief.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
No he wasn't. That is a figment of your imagination. Trump legally started his campaign on inauguration day. And has held actually rallies for himself. Obama filed in April of the year before the election (2011) and THAT was a record!
He has since omitted his error....don't know of any politician who was not guilty of foot in mouth.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
Has he omitted his error? I've only seen that he deleted the tweet and explained he wasn't requesting Priebus be investigated.
Because he is the Legal President of the USA
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 12:51 PM
So you would have made the same points if I'd been writing about President Clinton?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM
It seems that your definition of "fake news" is anything you disagree with.
What are some examples of "fake news?"
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:10 PM
No, fake news is what is untruthful.
An example would be the reporting that Trump and Team colluded with the Russians to win the election. Over 6 months of dancing around and not one iota of evidence that this is true. It's fake news.... get it?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:33 PM
"I've only seen that he deleted the tweet and explained he wasn't requesting Priebus be investigated."
Well if you failed to see it, are you saying it didn't happen?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:35 PM
An example would be the reporting that Trump and Team colluded with the Russians to win the election. -- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:33 PM
If someone reports that, then yes, it's "fake." All the reports I've seen, though, have said that the Trump campaign has been under investigation for potentially colluding with the Russians.
That news is very real, no matter who says differently. The investigation has been very public.
Over 6 months of dancing around and not one iota of evidence that this is true. It's fake news.... get it?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:33 PM
Actually, just last week, Donald Trump, Jr. released emails showing he agree to a meeting with someone he was told was from the Russian government who he was told had info that could damage Clinton.
That's more an "an iota"
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:43 PM
Well if you failed to see it, are you saying it didn't happen?- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:35 PM
Not at all! I'm saying I didn't see it. I can't see everything. If it happened and I missed it, please feel free to point it out to me so CAN see it!
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:44 PM
He announced a major policy change on his Twitter account...but didn't actually order the change to happen! I guess he's the leak?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:45 PM
"Trump Jr. Emails: ‘I Love It’ When Offered Russian Info on Clinton
by ANDREW RAFFERTY
"WASHINGTON — Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer who he believed had damaging information about Hillary Clinton in the midst of the 2016 election — and wrote "I love it" about the prospect of getting his hands on the material, according to emails released Tuesday by the president's eldest son."
Need more? Just wait...
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:51 PM
I guess he's the leak?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:45 PM
That should make dumbest statement of the week at minimum.
He is the President, he cannot leak oh himself when it comes to communications.
Sounds like that was what you did to yourself, you were so anxious to Dump on Trump. And I'm not speaking of communications.
By the way I heard that on my car radio, nearly two hours ago.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:52 PM
Need more? Just wait...
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:51 PM
How long do we have to "wait" for your revelations. That was on National News at least a week ago, maybe two.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:56 PM
I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton , I couldn't find either one's actions acceptable . This thread could be regarding Clinton as well as Trump , they are both sneaks , inept , and unqualified . This is the type of thread that continues to divide the Nation , this is the type of thread that promotes the (D) is better then (R) or (R) is better then the (D) rhetoric .
Now is the time to stop being a Democrat and now is the time to stop being a Republican .
Now is the time to start being an American .
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WASHINGTON/MOSCOW/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - U.S. lawmakers reached an agreement on Wednesday paving the way for the U.S. Senate to pass a bill as soon as this week to impose new sanctions on Russia and bar President Donald Trump from easing sanctions on Moscow without Congress' approval.
"I am glad to announce that we have reached an agreement that will allow us to send sanctions legislation to the president's desk," Senator Bob Corker, the Republican chairman of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement on Wednesday evening.
If the bill passes the Senate as expected, it would be sent to the White House for Trump to sign into law or veto. It is, however, expected to garner enough support to override a Trump veto.
The House voted 419-3 on Tuesday to impose new sanctions on Moscow and force Trump to obtain lawmakers' approval before easing any punitive measures on Russia.
"This is rather sad news from the point of view of Russia-U.S. ties," said Dmitry Peskov, a Kremlin spokesman. "We are talking about an extremely unfriendly act."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 2:13 PM
"obfuscating."
That's a cool word , I like that one ...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 2:15 PM
He is the President, he cannot leak oh himself when it comes to communications.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:52 PM
I was only half serious, but he kind of did "leak on himself." He told the public about something that he was going to do before he told those involved.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 2:19 PM
He is the President, he cannot leak oh himself when it comes to communications.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:52 PM
He needs to put that cell phone down .
The Official White House Spokesman makes an announcement and the next day Trump tweets the opposite or some sort of inane statement that has nothing to do with anything . He shoots himself in the foot more then anyone , or anything else , could ever do .
What would happen if twitter deleted his account for a couple of weeks , would the dude self implode ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 2:30 PM
hat's more an "an iota"
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:43 PM
He went to get information, that is not evidence of collusion.
Where do you suppose the Democrats went for dirt on Trump. I can tell you, anyone that even thought they had something, that's where.
Therein lies the problem with politics today, mud slinging. Prevents good candidates from entering major races. Why can't candidates stick to revealing their benefits instead of dredging up dirt on their opponents.
You're not going to get Trump impeached and removed from office with the daily Trump Trashing. You might find it more beneficial to your country to move on, the election is over. See a big problem, fine, but this petty BS grows old.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM
He went to get information, that is not evidence of collusion.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM
Ummmm...how is it not collusion? Russian interfered with the election. Trump Jr. met with Russians to get information to aid in the interference. Did he intend to collude? Maybe not; he might not have known about the other Russian actions.
Where do you suppose the Democrats went for dirt on Trump. I can tell you, anyone that even thought they had something, that's where-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM
What does that matter? What do Democrats' actions have to do with what Trump did?
You might find it more beneficial to your country to move on, the election is over. See a big problem, fine, but this petty BS grows old.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM
I know the election is over. I'm not the one who brings up Hillary as frequently as possible.
I'd say obstruction of justice, collusion with a hostile foreign power, and hiring of compromised individuals are big problems, if they exist. That's the whole purpose of me created this thread, asking why people are OK with those things.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:34 PM
That's the whole purpose of me created this thread, asking why people are OK with those things.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:34 PM
You said it yourself..... "if they exist"
That will be time enough to worry about your issues.... "if they exist".
Until then, as an American you have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. That is when we make the decision on if or not we are ok with them.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 4:26 PM
Until then, as an American you have the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. That is when we make the decision on if or not we are ok with them.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 4:26 PM
By saying we should "move on" you've already made the decision that you're OK with them. Ignoring things won't all of a sudden give you evidence of "guilt."
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 4:44 PM
"By saying we should "move on" you've already made the decision that you're OK with them."
And that as a statement is an outright lie.
Life goes on. I make decisions when I have facts. Until then I don't continuously whine about them as you and your Leftist accusers are doing without proof as you as much as said earlier..."if they exist".
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 4:58 PM
And that as a statement is an outright lie.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 4:58 PM
No, I might not be what you intended to say, but it is exactly what you said.
If something concerns you (like collusion with a hostile foreign government), you don't simply "move on" if it's alleged. How would you ever get "the facts" you need to "make decisions" if you've "moved on?"
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:22 PM
If something concerns you (like collusion with a hostile foreign government), you don't simply "move on" if it's alleged. How would you ever get "the facts" you need to "make decisions" if you've "moved on?"
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:22 PM
When an accuser makes a statement, it is his/her job to prove that allegation is true, not mine. I believe someone with a political agenda when they have proof in hand, up until that time it is hot air nothing more.
And you can quit the lying about what I said. Because I said move on until things are proven, that is exactly what I meant. Prove what is said or shut up about it. If you cannot prove it, by law it did not happen.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:33 PM
When an accuser makes a statement, it is his/her job to prove that allegation is true, not mine. I believe someone with a political agenda when they have proof in hand, up until that time it is hot air nothing more.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:33 PM
Did you think I wouldn't notice you moved the goal posts? We weren't talking about believing something is true, but rather whether we should "move on" because we don't have proof.
And you can quit the lying about what I said. Because I said move on until things are proven, that is exactly what I meant. Prove what is said or shut up about it. If you cannot prove it, by law it did not happen.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:33 PM
No, you didn't. That might have been what you meant (in which case, it would have been nice to correct yourself several posts ago) but it's definitely not what you said:
You might find it more beneficial to your country to move on, the election is over. See a big problem, fine, but this petty BS grows old.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM
Prove what is said or shut up about it. If you cannot prove it, by law it did not happen.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:33 PM
That's not how things work. When there are serious allegations, "shutting up" is ignoring them; i.e. saying that you're OK if they're true. That's not how we get proof of something.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:41 PM
Don't go away mad . Just go away .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 5:59 PM
You might find it more beneficial to your country to move on, the election is over. See a big problem, fine, but this petty BS grows old.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 3:01 PM
You bet that is what I said and what I meant. And I have followed up with what I think of political parties with an agenda. Until you and your Leftist friends can prove what you are saying they are petty BS, nothing more.
Until such time, I will stand by my position that I made the right decision in voting for Trump. Prove to me your rhetoric is not just empty words and I will take another look. I do not buy into some of what Trump does or how he does it. But so long as he continues to undo some of Obama's damage to this country, he still has my vote.
I do not think in the convuluted manner you do, therefore your assumptions and statements of what I think are just a figment of your imagination. So stop the lying, I don't fit your narrow pattern.
Here is a an implied statement and with your narrow thinking it is a requirement you handle it as a fact... I heard from a source that Chuck Shumer and Nancy Pelosi were caught making out on the Capitol Steps last Tuesday evening.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 6:08 PM
"The above thread."
All of the issues brought up are true. You admitted as much in your first response. What's fake?
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:29 PM
Common: You must be reading someone else comment - mine did not say anything that I agree to Mic2 orginial DNC talking points. Better luck next time.
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To Mic2:
Except he recused himself because he met with Russians during the campaign, and then, when asked during his confirmation hearings said he had not.
Maybe he forgot meeting the Russian Ambassador until he went over some notes.....you know Sessions probably had hundreds of meetings during that time.
That's even worse! The president was okay with the inappropriate dealings with Russia, but not dishonesty?
Who said it was inappropriate - has Mulleur brought forth any evidence....no didn't think so.
No, Trump said it was because of the "Russia thing." And while it is the president's right, it is very, very unusual.
You got it right - it's the President's right.
No, not illegal, but highly questionable ethically. Attorney General requires Congressional approval, and even then many thought it was inappropriate.
Then it's not illegal....thanks for backing me up.
No, he blamed the recession on Bush, since it was almost completely during Bush's term. It was over 6 months into Obama's.
Where were you during Obama's first term - he blamed Bush II every other day for something.
Besides, Clinton wasn't the former president; she was the person HE BEAT!
True it's President Trump and not President Hillary - thank God.
If Trump wants Sessions to investigate, he should ask Sessions to, not blast him on Twitter. Trump's the boss, after all. Sometimes doing your job means avoiding areas where you cannot (or would appear to not be) impartial. A special prosecutor has been assigned.
Every President has their own style of doing things. Yes a special prosecutor who is buddies with Comey and has hired lawyers that contributed to Hillary's campaign and are Democrats - that's called a stacked deck.
Congress doesn't work for him.
Your DNC talking points didn't mention Congress you did by your straw man comment.
No he wasn't. That is a figment of your imagination. Trump legally started his campaign on inauguration day. And has held actually rallies for himself. Obama filed in April of the year before the election (2011) and THAT was a record!
Just research all of Obama's campaign/donor's meals/meetings during his first term.
Has he omitted his error? I've only seen that he deleted the tweet and explained he wasn't requesting Priebus be investigated.
If you listen to news other than CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, or MSNBC you might get the real truth and not biased Liberal news reporting (see Harvard's Study which showed 80% negative reporting - that's reporting).
So you would have made the same points if I'd been writing about President Clinton?
President Clinton (cigar bill) has nothing to do with your original DNC talking points - good try.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM
Any more questions Mic2?
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 6:19 PM
Actually, just last week, Donald Trump, Jr. released emails showing he agree to a meeting with someone he was told was from the Russian government who he was told had info that could damage Clinton.
That's more an "an iota"
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:43 PM
Mic2: And Hillary's band of paid dirt finders did nothing but sit on their hands during the campaign....I've got a bridge in NYC for sell - you want to buy it.?
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 6:28 PM
Come back on here Mic2 and Common when you have something remotely close to being true....until then go to your safe spots and watch reruns on ex-President Obama and two time loser Hillary's speeches.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 6:30 PM
President Clinton initiated the entertainment business to the White House when he played his sax on the Arsenio Hall Show in 1992 . Many celebrity galas soon followed throughout his Presidency .
BushII's Presidency was tied up with Foreign Nations attacking the Home Lands , he really didn't have the time for fun and games .
President Obama went back to the entertainment business making the late night TV rounds , from Jon Stewart , to Jimmy Fallon , to the Tonite Show . Many celebrity galas and fund raisers , the most popular celebrities to help him stay popular , was the order of the day , not the issues of the Peoples .
Now there is a TV Reality Show Star as President , some are beside their self because a person who has no political experience , just entertainment as President .
At one point in time , the term "President" meant something , a Leader , a defender for the Nation and Peoples .
Sadly , the term President now means an entertainer and divider of the Peoples , not the server of the Peoples .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 7:13 PM
Which are false...
Administration being investigated.
AG recused himself.
National Security advisor fired.
FBI Director fired.
Press Secretary quit.
President employs nepotism.
President relives campaign.
President attacks AG.
Personal loyalty demanded.
President holds campaign rallies.
Which is untrue?
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 7:24 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 7:24 PM
Common: I believed I answer yours and Mic2 questions already, just scroll up and read them and fill in the answers to your straw man points. Have fun!
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 7:35 PM
Those were excuses and poor ones at that.
So all of the administration problems are true. Thanks for agreeing.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 8:05 PM
Sessions made the big common mistake of Republicans in thinking democrats were sincere in their quest for the truth in an unbiased way. Even Trump, a non-politician knew better.
If an AG can accuse himself, why can't he reassert himself and prosecute the crooks?
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 9:35 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 7:24 PM
Can I make a list on your boy Obama ?
I got 8 years worth , what you got , 7 months or so ?
Don't get all Pius , your boy was the worse President in the history of the United States of America . You made your boy , your boy made Trump , hence , you made Trump .
Look in the mirror dude , look in the mirror...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 9:44 PM
So all of the administration problems are true. Thanks for agreeing.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 8:05 PM
Mr Lettau
You are dumber than a half grown hog. Not even half of those are even problems, just pretty much the same thing all new Predidents face.
One of Trump's real problems, he did not fire the whole lot of backstabbing holdovers from the Obama Administration.
Loyalty of your team is important and many of these were not grateful enough for being allowed to keep their jobs to give their loyalty to the new Sheriff in town.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 10:13 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 8:05 PM
Common: Guess you can't read and understand the above comments of mine; like I have told your side kick Mic2 find a 12 year old and let them explain it to you. Now go hide in your safe place and get off that DNC website for your talking points.
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Looks like they may have found the leaker - the top FBI general counsel....who would have thought an Obama left over. Hang him Hang him high.
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The Deep State may soon be collapsing and all the dirt will be coming out as to their attempt to ruin the Trump Presidency.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 10:48 PM
"Not even half of those are even problems, just pretty much the same thing all new Pre[s]idents face."
Right. All new Presidents hire their children, assign an inexperienced son-in-law tasks totally over his level of competence, fire the FBI director, fire a newly appointed National Security Adviser, are investigated by Congress and a special counsel, spend excessive time rabidly reliving campaign rallies, have their AG recuse himself because of involvement, demand that appointees swear loyalty to him over the Constitution, prevent their press secretary from doing their job, and so on.
If you consider those issues "non-problems" you're living in your own little dream world. It's also patently obvious that every time you resort to name-calling, it's because you're on the downhill, losing side of any discussion. And it certainly precludes others from taking your contributions seriously.
Were President Trump able to shed the facade of his "Trump-persona" and start working in bipartisan fashion for all Americans, he would win support from all sides.
As mentioned more than once before, it is not a matter of my non-existent and supposed "hatred" for him, it's a matter of waiting for him to do something right.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:32 AM
"The Deep State..."
...is a clear and present figment of conservative imaginations.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:34 AM
"The Deep State..."
...is a clear and present figment of conservative imaginations.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:34 AM
What does "The Deep State..." mean ? I've heard it before but never really paid it much attention...
Where is the fine line between opinion and imagination .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:42 AM
"...but never really paid it much attention..."
Then you're doing the right thing.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:44 AM
"Right. All new Presidents hire their children, assign an inexperienced son-in-law tasks totally over his level of competence, fire the FBI director, fire a newly appointed National Security Adviser, are investigated by Congress and a special counsel, spend excessive time rabidly reliving campaign rallies, have their AG recuse himself because of involvement, demand that appointees swear loyalty to him over the Constitution, prevent their press secretary from doing their job, and so on."
In my opinion only , any or all newly elected Presidents have skeletons in their closets which could be exposed with indepth scrutiny . Yes , Trump opens that closet door too much on his own , he needs to walk on by and leave it shut instead of pointing it out , but he's definitely not the Lone Ranger .
It's all about the (D) and the (R) again , isn't it ? That's what it's all boiling down to . That and Trump threatening everyone in Washington , DC before he was elected .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:48 AM
"...but never really paid it much attention..."
Then you're doing the right thing.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:44 AM
I take it as propaganda , much like the "If you like your insurance..."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:50 AM
As mentioned more than once before, it is not a matter of my non-existent and supposed "hatred" for him, it's a matter of waiting for him to do something right.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:32 AM
Common: The only person on this forum who would believe that line is Mic2 your comments on here everyday proves you different. You might want to check into a depression center before it's too late.
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"The Deep State..."
...is a clear and present figment of conservative imaginations.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:34 AM
Common: There you go again claiming to not know about the "Deep State" which the Resistance group of sore losers is trying everyday to undermine the Trump Presidency. Can't wait to see where the unearthed finding of the FBI general counsel (hold over from Obama's term) being the leaker of classified info will go....hang him hang him high.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:05 AM
"Were President Trump able to shed the facade of his "Trump-persona" and start working in bipartisan fashion for all Americans, he would win support from all sides."
Oh yes, I suppose you forgot Obama's sit on the back of the bus bipartisanship.
Yes by all means let the minority rabid Democrats run things. Look how great they are. They created Obamacare.
Yes consult with them, they are on their biggest losing streak since the civil war.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:21 AM
As mentioned more than once before, it is not a matter of my non-existent and supposed "hatred" for him, it's a matter of waiting for him to do something right.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:32 AM
This is the same exact thing I tried to express about Obama but you continually insisted I hated him . Perhaps now you might understand my perspective . Make no mistake , I am not a fan of Trump . I thought he would clean out DC , or so he campaigned , but it hasn't happened , no , not even close . I do have a few questions .
1.) Obama , his staff and Administration knew about the Russian attempts of meddling and influence before the election but sat on their hands . Why isn't there Independent , House , and Senate investigations about this ?
2.) A President adding relatives to their Administration isn't a very smart thing to do , stupid actually . But , is it against the Law ?
3.) The secret meeting regarding Donald Trump , Jr. and those Russians , how is it the mass media can find out all about it but the USA Intelligence Network knew nothing about it , how did all of those Russians be allowed in the USA un-noticed when the Obama Administration was on to Russia's game ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:27 AM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 7:32 AM
It seems Nixon and Clinton both had problems with investigations toward their actions too .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:29 AM
"Were President Trump able to shed the facade of his "Trump-persona" and start working in bipartisan fashion for all Americans, he would win support from all sides."
This is hilarious coming from the Land of OZ !
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:32 AM
"Were President Trump able to shed the facade of his "Trump-persona" and start working in bipartisan fashion for all Americans, he would win support from all sides."
This is hilarious coming from the Land of OZ !
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:32 AM
Rick: Common sure can tell a joke. If Trump said the sky is blue the Liberal Democratic Resistance would said that it is not and would have a special prosecutor to investigate the matter....so much for bipartisan.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:42 AM
The Leaker an Obama leftover in the FBI....who would have thought.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:10 AM
"It's also patently obvious that every time you resort to name-calling, it's because you're on the downhill, losing side of any discussion. And it certainly precludes others from taking your contributions seriously."
Mr Lettau,
Something I forgot to address, I was not calling you names, I was describing you, there is a difference.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:36 AM
The Leaker an Obama leftover in the FBI....who would have thought.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:10 AM
I'm sure Ralph will be happy to jump in and remind you that those are mere allegations, so they do not matter.
Besides, FBI General Counsel is not a political appointment. Baker was promoted through the ranks and received his current position from the FBI Director. He's worked in Federal Law Enforcement since the 1990s.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:38 AM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:38 AM
Mic2: And that FBI director who promoted Baker was........we all know the answer. Baker, Comey, Mulluer....three peas in a pod bent on leaking classified info to hurt the Trump administration. We will see what happens - hopefully justice.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:58 AM
'... there is a difference."
Only to you. But then what can one expect. How you care to describe people is your choice, it makes zero difference to be, but it says a lot about you.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:00 AM
"...claiming to not know about the "Deep State" which the Resistance group of sore losers is trying everyday to undermine the Trump Presidency."
I don't "claim to not know" about what you think it is. I simply pointing out that it's not real.
What it amounts to is how President Trump supporters try to make excuses for his lack of accomplishment.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:04 AM
What it amounts to is how President Trump supporters try to make excuses for his lack of accomplishment.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:04 AM
Common: No need to make excuses and what it amounts to is how the Deep State made up of losers will try to put roadblocks in order to undermine the Trump Administration - Trump Administration, sounds good doesn't it Common.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:28 AM
No need to make excuses and what it amounts to is how the Deep State made up of losers will try to put roadblocks in order to undermine the Trump Administration - Trump Administration, sounds good doesn't it Common.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:28 AM
So...they're "losers" but at the same time they are so strong and intelligent they are able to bring an entire presidential administration to a screeching halt? Does that really make sense to you?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:42 AM
So...they're "losers" but at the same time they are so strong and intelligent they are able to bring an entire presidential administration to a screeching halt? Does that really make sense to you?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:42 AM
Mic2: Who said they are intelligent and strong....not knowing when you have lost is not very intelligent. Also, not very strong....the Trump train will run over these Resist losers just like he did to the 16 Republican contenders and one Democratic loser. So go out and resist and see what it gets - nothing. The delaying tactic is just that a temporary delay with Trump's agenda.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 12:09 PM
Mic2: Who said they are intelligent and strong.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 12:09 PM
You're sure acting like they are! They're able to halt "the Trump train," after all.
Did it ever cross your mind that these "deep state losers" don't actually exist, and all the problems the Trump administration is having are actually Trump's fault?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM
You're sure acting like they are! They're able to halt "the Trump train," after all.
Did it ever cross your mind that these "deep state losers" don't actually exist, and all the problems the Trump administration is having are actually Trump's fault?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM
Mic2: Have you ever being on the tracks with a train coming straight at you? That is exactly what will happen to the losers trying to block the Trump train....either get off the tracks or write your name on your arm so that you can be identified. Now have a great rest of the day Mic2, have better things to do.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 1:13 PM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 1:13 PM
Where's the "Trump train" been the past 6 months if it's just coming in? I wouldn't have thought it made it to the station by January 20!
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 1:33 PM
I wouldn't have thought it made it to the station by January 20!
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 1:33 PM
Correction..I WOULD have though...
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 2:03 PM
Are you referring to the "Trump-train" that was totally derailed on the way to the "Repeal and Replace" station, and never got there?
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 4:16 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 4:16 PM
Common: That's OK we will just stand by and let Obamacare die a natural death - R.I.P. Obamacare.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 4:28 PM
Common: BTW, whose the President Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton....now laugh you loser.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 4:44 PM
Need more? Just wait... -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 1:51 PM
Perfect example of fake news from you. So what? Nothing illegal here. What if Hillary Clinton had take $10 million from Putin for a speech by Bill Clinton?
Thanks for the PERFECT example of fake news. You outed yourself.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 6:40 PM
What kind of mindset considers blocking what is better for the country a win? Some must be proud of continuously interrupting Mike Enzi when he was using his allotted time to thoughtfully lay out the case of why Obamacare was failing after democrats used their time to spew fake news and fake statistics. They claim to want to be considered and then when they are they rail against any offer to participate.
Democrats are so caught up in the goal of destroying Trump they are willing to destroy the country to do so.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:50 PM
"What kind of mindset considers blocking what is better for the country a win?"
What planet are you living on? What's better for the country? The republicans offered nothing, and had nothing to offer.
Democrats are no more worried about President Trump than the republicans are. The most effective solution is for both parties to work together and implement fixes to the ACA. The President would happily go along with anything he could count as a win.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM
The most effective solution is for both parties to work together and implement fixes to the ACA. -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM
Common: Obamacare is like a highway that has so many potholes that it's not fit to drive on and needs to be closed by MODOT and resurfaced not by asphalt but with concrete. Obamacare is in such a bad shape that it's not fixable.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:16 PM
common, Democrats want to keep the mandate that fines people for not having insurance, they want to keep the tax on people that are able to buy their own better insurance, they want to continue the requirement for for employers with a full staff to pay for employee insurance, they support giving tax money to big insurance companies. Democrats like you want people to be dependent on federal government for everything. Republicans went so far as to offer an amendment to vote on a single payer scheme and democrats announced they would not participate in any bipartisan deliberation and then ran out in front of the cameras claiming Republicans were shutting them out.
Now sir, be helpful and tell me on what channel I can find reruns of ALF.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:37 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM
Common,
That is just some more of your let's compromise and do it the Democrats way. The voters selected a majority of Republicans to run this country for a reason.
So it is time for the Democrats to compromise and do it the Republicans way.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:37 PM
Which is what? They have no clue about what should be done. Should you doubt that, just look at what they were able to accomplish in the last few days.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:04 PM
Yep, nothing will be accomplished with democrats determined to be against what's good for America.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 10:08 PM
I'm sure Ralph will be happy to jump in and remind you that those are mere allegations, so they do not matter.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 9:38 AM
That appears to be your position at this particular time and in this case.
Happy to see you came around to my way of thinking. It took you enough time and empty words to become educated.
Sorry for the delayed response, I had a full day yesterday.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 7:14 AM
The most effective solution is for both parties to work together and implement fixes to the ACA. The President would happily go along with anything he could count as a win. -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM
Ha! Lettau suggest "working together" after he worshipped the man who said this?
"We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back." - Barack Hussein Obama
You have never cared about working together or bipartisanship. All you have ever posted or care about was one thing - Democrat National Committee and it's power.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 8:17 AM
Democrats are no more worried about President Trump than the republicans are. The most effective solution is for both parties to work together and implement fixes to the ACA. The President would happily go along with anything he could count as a win.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Jul 28, 2017, at 8:57 PM
In other words , the ACA was wrong and not worked on together by both sides of the aisles from the get-go . Seems like folks have been saying this since 2010 to the blind but now suddenly the blind has 20/20 vision . The ACA was forced down the throats of ever American just to get a Federal Mandated Law , more oppressions and controls on the Peoples by one Political Party , no matter what it took .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 8:33 AM
Obama's "Red Line"...hahahahahaha
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North Korea launched another ICBM, Pentagon says
PYONGYANG, North Korea -- North Korea on Friday test-fired its second intercontinental ballistic missile, which flew longer and higher than the first according to its wary neighbors, leading analysts to conclude that a wide swath of the U.S. including Los Angeles and Chicago is now within range of Pyongyang's weapons.
Japanese government spokesman Yoshihide Suga said the missile, launched late Friday night, flew for about 45 minutes - about five minutes longer than the ICBM North Korea test-fired on July 4.
President Donald Trump intends to sign legislation that places new sanctions on Russia and empowers Congress to block him from scaling back the penalties on Moscow in the future, the White House press secretary's office said Friday.
White House officials had earlier left open the possibility Trump would veto the bill, though it was passed with veto-proof majorities in the House and Senate.
"President Donald J. Trump read early drafts of the bill and negotiated regarding critical elements of it," the press secretary office's statement read. "He has now reviewed the final version and, based on its responsiveness to his negotiations, approves the bill and intends to sign."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 8:41 AM
"...to be against what's good for America."
Again, what is it that you think democrats are "against?"
Democrats are for expanding job creation.
Democrats are for immigration reform.
Democrats are for tax reform to close loopholes to benefit the middle class.
Democrats are for stabilizing Social Security to self-sufficiency.
Democrats are for improving the ACA.
Democrats are for energy development.
What are you against?
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 9:32 AM
Again, what is it that you think democrats are "against?"
Democrats are for expanding job creation.
That's why Obama issued via Executive Orders regulations to make it impossible for American businesses to compete with foreign companies.
Democrats are for immigration reform.
That's why Obama refused to stop the Illegals from pouring into the USA - new Democratic voters.
Democrats are for tax reform to close loopholes to benefit the middle class.
That's why Obama increased the free stuff to the freeloaders hurting the middle class by increasing their taxes.
Democrats are for stabilizing Social Security to self-sufficiency.
That's why Obama made it easier to get on S.S disability adding to the pay out to those who didn't pay much or anything into S.S.
Democrats are for improving the ACA.
That's due to the Democrats finally realizing that Obamacare is a failed program that will die a natural death - R.I.P. Obamacare.
Democrats are for energy development.
That's why Obama gave money to his buddies in the solar panel business and then they went bankrupt. Wonder if they stashed some cash before filing chapter 11.
What are you against?
I'm against the Democrats wasting my tax money for the last 8 years on the freeloaders who pay no taxes only to have their hands out for the free stuff. I'm against the Democrats whose "resistance" is only hurting the American people. I'm against the Democratic Party who is in favor of killing babies by abortion. I'm against the Democrats who treat the illegals better then our Vets. I'm against the Democrats mostly because they are brain dead and they need to go gently into the night never to be heard from again.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 9:32 AM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 10:03 AM
Go day to go to the Leopold picnic....yummmmmmmm
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 10:49 AM
The "picnic" comment is the only factual contribution you've made.
The rest remains unsubstantiated conservative propaganda.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 1:15 PM
Should be: Good day and not go day.
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-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 1:15 PM
Common: The truth hurts doesn't it poor little Liberal loser.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 1:24 PM
Not in the least. I'm perfectly fine with the truth. Sorry you're unable to accept it.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 1:44 PM
Sorry you're unable to accept it. -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 1:44 PM
Who would accept anything from a person who compares an insult to Obama as "equal in kind" to an insult to God?
Says all we need to know about your so-called "values".
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 3:59 PM
Here's what you support Mr. Lettau. Open borders. Deported 20 times and living in your beloved "sanctuary city".
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"A man accused of breaking into a 65-year-old woman's home, sexually assaulting her and stealing her car was arrested after allegedly assaulting another woman and running from police.
Sergio Jose Martinez, 31, was caught July 24 after officers chased him through a neighborhood.
According to court documents filed in March 2017, Martinez has a history of illegal entry into the United States. He has been a transient in the Portland area for more than a year and has been deported 20 times."
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 4:01 PM
Wow, as quiet as the forums are, most everyone must have been at the picnic. It was a good time with cooler weather and I met some cool people. Time well spent, not to mention I won't need to eat for a good while! :) On the way out a friend and I even met a nice guy from Scopus.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 10:15 PM
Just scrap the damned thing from being a Federal Mandated Law and start all over again . Look at current tax revenues and prioritize health care costs up the ladder , like at the No.1 issue instead of just throwing more taxes at something that hasn't worked and isn't working .
When Government fails , use more Government has never been the answer and never will be .
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Editorial: After all the furor, Affordable Care Act still must be fixed
Associated Press
After months of rancorous debate over the Affordable Care Act’s future, the last thing members of Congress may want to do is push forward. Republicans can’t seem to get out of their own way, and some Democrats are eager to use the cruel GOP health care proposals as a cudgel in next year’s elections.
Still it should be done. The ACA, left in place by the narrowest of margins early Friday morning, needs repair. The first step is to stop calling it “Obamacare,” which only tends to focus the debate on the former president instead of making it about health care.
The individual insurance markets must be shorn up by making it possible for insurers to turn a profit selling policies on the ACA’s health exchanges. Until mid-June, when Centene Co. of Clayton announced it would offer ACA policies in 40 Missouri counties next year, 25 counties in western Missouri were facing a barren marketplace.
Fortunately there are moderate leaders from both parties with solid ideas for moving forward. Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a Republican, have outlined separate ideas that their parties can embrace.
The Post-Dispatch’s Chuck Raasch reported July 19 that McCaskill is willing to put the ACA’s individual mandate on the table. The rule that everyone had to purchase health insurance was always the biggest public objection to the ACA. But absent a mandate, insurance pools fill up with older, sicker people who cost insurers their profits.
McCaskill suggested the mandate be replaced by a system in which you’re enrolled unless you affirmatively opt-out. This concept has been endorsed by the conservative Heritage Foundation, where an ACA-like plan was hatched more than 20 years ago.
Kasich wrote in The New York Times that Congress should “provide adequate tax credits, which would help keep health plans in the individual market and encourage — not undermine — robust competition.”
Once individual markets are stabilized and insurers are selling comprehensive policies, Kasich said, Congress could consider reforms to Medicaid, the other side of the ACA.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 6:58 AM
On the way out a friend and I even met a nice guy from Scopus.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sat, Jul 29, 2017, at 10:15 PM
OJ: Surely that wasn't Common. However; after leaving Leopold I saw a woman flying on a flaming broom heading for the picnic - it must of been Theorist.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:00 AM
David. I enjoyed the picnic and conversation and the meal seemed better than last year due to cooler weather and what struck me as a much better job of keeping the food supplied.
The fellow we met was definitely not Mr. common.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:40 AM
Rick S, When they say "The individual insurance markets must be shorn up by making it possible for insurers to turn a profit selling policies on the ACA’s health exchanges", I think that is code for give a bunch of tax money to the big insurance companies so stockholders will feel better about CEO's outrageous pay. With more tax money to shore them up, they have more for campaign donations too.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:48 AM
OJ: Wheels must be sleeping in this morning trying to digest all of the good eats at the picnic.lol
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:54 AM
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:48 AM
You might be on to something there .
Take away the Mandatory Purchase of a Commerce should be step one of this fiasco , the Commerce is getting away like a fat rat , they can charge whatever they want by buying whoever they want with tax payer's money .
Today's "Liberals" and their emotional blackmail can contribute all of their own money they want to the cause , leave everybody else alone . It's their big idea , take it out of their own pockets .
And stop calling the damned thing "Obamacare" , it doesn't matter who came up with the term , but stop , it's the dumbest damned thing after the Mandatory Purchase of a Commerce .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:10 AM
semo471, Wheels may be nursing a sore elbow, the one he overused operating a fork yesterday. :)
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:15 AM
..and beer mug
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:17 AM
Trump threatens to end ObamaCare payments unless repeal passes
By Julia Manchester - 07/29/17 12:58 PM EDT
President Trump on Saturday threatened to end key payments to insurance companies made under Obamacare if a repeal and replace bill is not passed.
"After seven years of 'talking' Repeal & Replace, the people of our great country are still being forced to live with imploding ObamaCare!" the president wrote in a tweet.
"If a new HealthCare Bill is not approved quickly, BAILOUTS for Insurance Companies and BAILOUTS for Members of Congress will end very soon!" he added.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:40 AM
President Trump already owns health care issues, and claims the ACA will "die" on its own.
If he literally "kills it" by initiating unilateral changes in the law, it will be 100% his, and only he will suffer (if we disregard the millions that will lose coverage solely due to his actions.)
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:56 AM
If he literally "kills it" by initiating unilateral changes in the law, it will be 100% his, and only he will suffer (if we disregard the millions that will lose coverage solely due to his actions.) -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:56 AM
Says the guy whose party disregarded the 10's of millions of people whose insurance rates have skyrocketed, whose deductibles and copays have gone up significantly and who lost their current insurance and doctor. PERIOD.
You and your party have never cared about the hard working middle class taxpayer. Ever. It's all about giving more welfare and free stuff to buy votes.
And the taxpayers revolted. Why would anyone believe you know that Trump will own YOUR failed socialism experiment? You couldn't even get a web site up and running!
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:03 AM
I don't care as much about who owns it as how stupid it is overall. I should end one way or another.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:05 AM
Should be 'It' should end one way or another.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:08 AM
The "stupidity" rears its head when both sides refuse to sit down together, analyze problems and solutions, and implement those with the highest probability of success.
Solutions are considerably more likely when there's no disputing over who gets the credit.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:15 AM
Well Shiver me timbers, Common is trying to sound logical again.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:23 AM
The "stupidity" rears its head when both sides refuse to sit down together-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:15 AM
"We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back." - Barack Hussein Obama
I think Commie's "logic" is fake logic. Just trying to atone for years of failed socialist liberal policies by his Messiah Obama. But make no mistake - he's a party animal. An unwavering member of the leftist liberal progressive democrats. Nancy, Harry, Barack and Lettau. Peas in a pod.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:41 AM
Why "again?" It's been the case all along.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:42 AM
Semo471 & Old John
I'm busy with relatives and friends to see and visit. Good to see you two guys again. Semo apologize to your "Girlfriend" for me for taking so much of your time and leaving her alone.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM
The "stupidity" rears its head when both sides refuse to sit down together, analyze problems and solutions, and implement those with the highest probability of success.
Solutions are considerably more likely when there's no disputing over who gets the credit.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 10:15 AM
Where was this in 2010 when it was a partisan decision , or , "it's our way or the highway" ? How is it different now ?
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If he literally "kills it" by initiating unilateral changes in the law, it will be 100% his, and only he will suffer (if we disregard the millions that will lose coverage solely due to his actions.) -- Posted by Rick Lettau on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 9:56 AM
Nobody can "unilateral change a law" unless the previous President did so by creating the ACA and Mandating it on the Peoples ..
And , "if we disregard the millions that will lose coverage" can not be true when you have insisted for years the ACA effects very few . What's it going to be , a very few or millions ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 4:55 PM
Trump tells Republicans to get back on healthcare bill
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump and members of his administration on Sunday goaded Republican senators to stick with trying to pass a healthcare bill, after the lawmakers failed spectacularly last week to muster the votes to end Obamacare.
For the second day running, the Republican president tweeted his impatience with Congress' inability to deliver on his party's seven-year promise to replace the Affordable Care Act, President Barack Obama's signature healthcare bill commonly known as Obamacare. Members of his administration took to the airwaves to try to compel lawmakers to take action.
But it was unclear whether the White House admonishments would have any impact on Capitol Hill, where Republicans who control both houses signaled last week that it was time to move on to other issues.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 5:08 PM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM
Wheels: That's OK she had me for the rest of the day.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 5:34 PM
Rick Lettau
My brother-in-law's bill for bone cancer treatment is $31,000 per month . When my buddy Skit died of kidney cancer he stilled owed the docs well over $100 grand . In what way did the ACA make cancer treatment more Affordable ?
My seizure meds have now gone up to $266 per month , just for the Lamictal alone not including the Zonagran . How is the ACA making health care more Affordable ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 6:49 PM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 6:49 PM
Rick: In case "Common" is on the phone with the DNC trying to come up with a talking point let me answer your question -ACA or Obamacare was never meant to save money, it was only set up as a taxpayers liability for giving the freeloaders insurance paid in full or the majority paid.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 7:04 PM
The progressive deception started with FDR and before convincing people SS was set up on solid principles of free market insurance. Truman continued the deception giving foundation for Johnson's Great Society. Then along comes Medicare and Medicaid as a Democratic show of compassion for the poor that has continued to expand through administrative rule. With the shift to education ruled on federal level to favor teacher unions and paying people to be poor, Americans were ripe to ignore the warnings of our founders about liberty vs tyranny.
Conservative principles work when applied. Too bad people have allowed themselves to confuse Republican with conservative.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:22 PM
It's a crock of **** that was spread by fear mongering emotional blackmail "Liberals" in 2010 who want to cry about it now after they've found out it doesn't work . There is no "more Affordable" to it .
There were posters who predicted this would happened in 2010 when the ACA became Law , knew actually , but were told they didn't know what they were talking about by other posters .
Now that's it's happened there are no answers to the very same predictions in 2010 , there are no posters saying other posters didn't know what they're talking about .
It happened ...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:22 PM
R. W. Bess
When Rights become privileges that can be taken or given as needed , what the Government can give , the Government can take . It's that death spiral , when rules don't work , write more rules , when Government fails , use more Government .
The largest employer in the USA is the Government . The ACA assures even more Government , more agencies , more rules , more jobs , more taxes . And it's a Federal Mandated Law , everyone must participate .
Socialism .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:31 PM
And it's not more Affordable , stop the damned lies .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:32 PM
Rick S, I agree.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 8:33 PM
More questions I've been pondering: How and when did we go from a nation of obese children to one in five struggling with food insecurity? Would this be media driven thing?
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 11:15 PM
I'd say so , more fear mongering . Don't trust everything you see , even salt looks like sugar .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Jul 31, 2017, at 7:09 AM
How and when did we go from a nation of obese children to one in five struggling with food insecurity? Would this be media driven thing? -- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, at 11:15 PM
We are the only country in history to feed our poor to death.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Mon, Jul 31, 2017, at 7:51 AM
Trump tip toes around North Korea just as Obama did . Nothing has changed except North Korea's ability to strike with longer range missiles , surely Kim Jong-Un has learned from Libya and Iraq that to give up his missile program is to lose his Regime . So do as Reagan did to Ghadaffi in Libya , give Kim Jong-Un a friendly "hey you!" with some surprise lightening from the skies , let him know his foolishness is a waste of time . Kim Jong-Un has to know China and Russia won't let the USA invade , they didn't stand by and watch in the 1950's . It's not China's problem , why do they care . Or Putin after the sanctions . Sometimes a spanking is just as good as a beating .
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US warns Kim Jong-Un after missile test: 'Time for talk is over'
The North Korea missile crisis deepened today as America’s ambassador to the United Nations warned: “The time for talk is over.”
US vice-president Mike Pence also claimed “all options are on the table” after the rogue regime’s latest test of a long-range missile allegedly capable of hitting American cities.
Donald Trump and his senior aides are looking to China to act to restrain dictator Kim Jong-un. Nikki Haley, American ambassador to the UN, said Beijing “must decide if it is finally willing to take this vital step” of taking on North Korea.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Jul 31, 2017, at 9:02 AM
If the N Korean Regime collapses, China would be faced with a large influx of people they don't need or want. So would other countries in the region.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Mon, Jul 31, 2017, at 10:49 AM
Donald Trump Signs Russia Sanctions Bill He Calls ‘Significantly Flawed’
The president argued that Congress “included a number of clearly unconstitutional provisions” in the bill.
Congress “included a number of clearly unconstitutional provisions” in the bill, Trump argued Wednesday in a statement. He claimed in a separate statement that the bill “encroaches on the executive branch’s authority to negotiate,” and worked in a jab at Senate Republicans over their failure to pass legislation on health care.
“Congress could not even negotiate a healthcare bill after seven years of talking,” Trump said.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 2, 2017, at 6:49 PM
How do you Socialist get away with selective Socialism , is it individual State's Rights or a Federal Mandated State ?
Wouldn't this leave 35 States who say yes , how do 15 over rule 35 -- it seems everybody's in a big huff because Hillary had more votes and lost .
Just exactly how does this selective Socialism work ?
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U.S. EPA reverses decision to delay smog rule after lawsuits
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency reversed a decision to delay an Obama-era rule requiring states to curb smog-causing emissions, one day after 15 states sued the agency over the move.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 11:58 AM
How do you Socialist get away with selective Socialism , is it individual State's Rights or a Federal Mandated State ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 11:58 AM
Nothing to do with socialism. You clearly don't know what socialism means. (I'm preparing myself for the incoming temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to tell you that you do not know everything).
Wouldn't this leave 35 States who say yes , how do 15 over rule 35 -- it seems everybody's in a big huff because Hillary had more votes and lost .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 11:58 AM
No, there other 35 states didn't say anything. And the EPA is the only one who made a decision here. The 15 states merely voiced their opinion by way of a law suit and it seems the EPA might have agreed that they were correct.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 12:04 PM
W Virginia now has a Republican governor without a election being held. Maybe if Trump switched parties the democrats would support America First. Naw they are more concerned with being re-elected with rhetoric about helping poor people get free money from the wealthy.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 9:34 PM
Nothing to do with socialism. You clearly don't know what socialism means. (I'm preparing myself for the incoming temper tantrum because someone had the nerve to tell you that you do not know everything).
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It appears your post is the temper tantrum in itself . I'm sure your definition of Socialism would be the one and only correct definition , but , as with all issues , you clearly don't know either .
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No, there other 35 states didn't say anything. And the EPA is the only one who made a decision here. The 15 states merely voiced their opinion by way of a law suit and it seems the EPA might have agreed that they were correct.
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By not saying anything and not joining the other 15 , they have . Very astute to point out the link was about the EPA , nothing escapes your notice . I knew a Socialist would step up to the plate , it was only a matter of time .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM
I'm beginning to understand how Socialist get away with selective Socialism , no wait , I'm not , it's more mixfusing then ever . More mixfusing then the Obama Zombie USA , or , Land of OZ .
"Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 10:26 PM
R. W. Bess
Socialism , keeping People equally poor and shackled to a Government .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 10:50 PM
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 9:34 PM
You nailed it with that post. If he were a democrat Schumer and Pelosi would be worshipping Trump. No matter what he said.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 6:53 AM
I'm sure your definition of Socialism would be the one and only correct definition , but , as with all issues , you clearly don't know either .-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM
There's no such thing as *my definition.* There is *a* definition of socialism. Unlike you, I don't think I can just use words however I like and get mad when someone point out that I'm wrong.
Very astute to point out the link was about the EPA , nothing escapes your notice .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM
It appeared it escaped your notice since you said the '15' were ruling over the rest.
I knew a Socialist would step up to the plate , it was only a matter of time .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM
I am in no way a Socialist or anywhere close to it.
As I pointed out not long ago (last week, I think), you espouse much more Socialist beliefs than I do.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:19 AM
For Mic2 and Common:
You might be a Socialist if you think that the redistribution of wealth is OK.
You might be a Socialist if you think that generation after generation of welfare is OK.
You might be a Socialist if you think that full or partial nationalizations of industries is OK.
You might be a Socialist if you support Obamacare's free or mostly free to the freeloaders is OK.
You might be a Socialist if you support paying folks to sit on the couch and collect unemployment checks, food stamps, and other free stuff is OK.
You might be a Socialist if you are a follower of Hillary Clinton, Barack H. Obama, and Bernie Sanders and think that is OK.
You might be a Socialist if you think that capitalism is evil and is OK with that thought.
How then which party do you think is Socialist - you are correct the PC Liberal Snowflake Democratic Party is guilty of Socialism and we all know that it doesn't work.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:39 AM
As I pointed out not long ago (last week, I think), you espouse much more Socialist beliefs than I do.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:19 AM
As I pointed out long ago , it's your little world , I just live in it .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:47 AM
There's no such thing as *my definition.* There is *a* definition of socialism. Unlike you, I don't think I can just use words however I like and get mad when someone point out that I'm wrong.
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Nope , you repeatedly report posters to the moderator until the poster is banned , you have a history of doing this .
The truth tends to hurt your feelings when People point out you don't know everything either .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:50 AM
As they say , have a nice day , your cry for attention won't get it from me any more today .
I'll let somebody else baby sit from here on out today .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:51 AM
Nope , you repeatedly report posters to the moderator until the poster is banned , you have a history of doing this .-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:50 AM
Huh? People get banned because they break the rules, not because I report them. I'm not that important.
The truth tends to hurt your feelings when People point out you don't know everything either .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 8:50 AM
Not at all! In fact, there have been many times I've almost begged to be proven wrong, and no one has taken me up on the offer. If I'm wrong about something, please show me. I don't like being wrong, so I try to learn new things.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 9:23 AM
"How then which party do you think is Socialist.."
Neither of the major American parties are Socialist. And there's no validity in any of your "You might be a" claims. None accurately portray the current situation in the US.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM
From Merriam-Webster.
I believe the third definition and the last paragraph says a lot about socialism and it is obvious Sneller and Lettau are being very defensive of the current trend in the now far left Democratic Party. There is much more information to read from Merrian-Webster if anyone is interested, Google it.
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noun so·cial·ism \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
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Examples: socialism in a Sentence
Editor's Note: communism, socialism, capitalism, and democracy
Usage guide: socialism vs. social democracy
Definition of socialism
1
: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2
a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3
: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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In the many years since socialism entered English around 1830, it has acquired several different meanings. It refers to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control, but the conception of that control has varied, and the term has been interpreted in widely diverging ways, ranging from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. In the modern era, “pure” socialism has been seen only rarely and usually briefly in a few Communist regimes. Far more common are systems of social democracy, now often referred to as democratic socialism, in which extensive state regulation, with limited state ownership, has been employed by democratically elected governments (as in Sweden and Denmark) in the belief that it produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 4:38 PM
This is sad...how much greed is needed ?
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Republican donor sues GOP for fraud over ObamaCare repeal failure
By Brandon Carter - 08/04/17 03:08 PM EDT
A Republican donor in Virginia has filed a lawsuit against the national and Virginia Republican parties, accusing them of fraud and racketeering for raising millions of dollars in donations knowing they wouldn’t be able to repeal ObamaCare.
Virginian-Pilot reports that Bob Heghmann, a retired attorney in Virginia Beach, filed the lawsuit in U.S. District Court on Thursday. The suit blasts the Republican Party, saying it “has been engaged in a pattern of Racketeering which involves massive fraud perpetrated on Republican voters and contributors as well as some Independents and Democrats.”
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 7:18 PM
Exactly! Even Bernie Sander, who takes the label of socialist isn't anywhere near socialism.
In most of the first world, in fact, Sanders would be barely left of center.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 12:37 PM
I think the first sentence wins the prize of the day.
Not sure what is meant by 'first world' unless it refers to Planet Letau.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 9:57 PM
The Justice Department Is Reviewing Obama-Era Journalist Protections
Reporters "cannot place lives at risk with impunity," Sessions said. "We must balance their role with protecting our national security and the lives of those who serve in our intelligence community, the armed forces, and all law -abiding Americans."
Press freedom advocates criticized the Obama administration for its aggressive approach to leak prosecutions, and expressed concern on Friday that the progress they nevertheless managed to make with Holder would be undone.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 10:11 PM
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Aug 4, 2017, at 9:57 PM
Richard,
Sanders is not a full blown Socialist yet because he has not had the Bully Pupit to make it happen. He is a Socialist Wannabee. Lettau and Sneller appear to think they are going to have an inside track if they can help hoodwink the public into going that route. Got news for them, they are just puppets. Their handlers, those pulling the strings, will give them the cold hard facts in due time.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 12:34 AM
Where are the two sweet peas today....probably checking to see if they have that Socialist bug.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 8:21 AM
Semo471,
Water runs down hill.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 8:48 AM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 8:48 AM
Wheels: Don't drink downstream from the herd.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 9:14 AM
Semo471
Picked up on that one a couple of years back.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM
When half the People get the idea they can have something for nothing and the other half get the idea they get nothing for something , it's a Nation of entitlements . The something for nothing grows . It's the current USA . It's Socialism , a definite way for any Nation to fall .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 11:16 AM
And it's not acceptable .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 11:16 AM
You won't get any argument me, but Lettau, Sneller & Co indicate that is pretty much borderline Centrist behaviour.
Dear Ole Bernie is barely left of Center according to Sneller. Does that tell you something about how brainwashed they are?
By the standards of those two, if you looked at Politics like a Football Field. It would put people like John Kennedy about 30 yards right of Center
And on the 20 yard line.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 12:51 PM
Dear Ole Bernie is barely left of Center according to Sneller
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 5, 2017, at 12:51 PM
In "most of the first world" he would be. The right wing in the US has shifted so far right in the past 30 years, that many Americans have a skewed view of what "centrist" used to mean in the US and still means in most of the world.
I mean, you yourself copied the definition of socialism above, and (assuming you read it) can see that the U.S. is nowhere near socialism, and no one even proposes anything close to socialism, yet still try to claim the Democratic party to be very left wing.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 10:36 AM
The Left wing has went so far to the left that it is almost to Russia. The only reason that the USA isn't a Socialist country is by the election of a Republican Congress and a Republican President....sorry ole Bernie, Hillary, Nancy, and Soros but the working Americans are no push overs.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 10:55 AM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 10:55 AM
Seriously, Ralph was kind enough to give a basic definition of socialism above. Am I the only one who read it?
": any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"
I cannot name a single politician who has for anything close to government control of production and/or distribution of goods.
"a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property"
Again, nothing close.
"b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state"
Nope. Very little production is owned by "the state." Even most of what we think of as "government services" is actually outsourced to privately-owned companies rather than government employees. Even state-sanctioned monopolies (like power companies) are for-profit, privately-owned entities, in many, if not most cases.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:08 AM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:08 AM
Mic2: I didn't say the USA was a Socialist country....I said thanks to the Republicans elected that we are not. Have a good day.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:14 AM
Mic2: I didn't say the USA was a Socialist country....I said thanks to the Republicans elected that we are not. Have a good day.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:14 AM
I know what you said. However, I was showing how ridiculous that statement is since no one, even a self-proclaimed "Socialist" like Sanders has proposed anything close to socialism.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:16 AM
PPACA equals Government control of production and/or distribution of goods .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:24 AM
The Insurance commerce ....
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:24 AM
PPACA equals Government control of production and/or distribution of goods .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:24 AM
What? It's exactly the opposite! "The Insurance Commerce" is owned, controlled, and profited on by *private* insurance companies.
Healthcare.gov was created and implemented by a *private* IT firm. Even the expanded Medicaid plans are often, if not always administered by *private* companies.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:37 AM
What? It's exactly the opposite! "The Insurance Commerce" is owned, controlled, and profited on by *private* insurance companies.
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PPACA is a Federal Mandated Law . Every American are required to have health insurance by Federal Law . The health insurance company are the conduit by which the American follow the Federal Law .
Which Nation do you live in ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:44 AM
Those who do not have a "policy" pay a penalty that increases yearly to pay for health care , it is health insurance paid to the Government .
The Government is the health insurance commerce .
Which Nation do you live in ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:48 AM
By Federal Law per the PPACA , any company with more then 50 employees must provide their employees with health care insurance .
PPACA equals Government control of production and/or distribution of goods .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:55 AM
The health insurance company are the conduit by which the American follow the Federal Law .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:44 AM
Exactly the point! Privately-owned health insurance companies, many of which are for-profit entities.
The Government is the health insurance commerce .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:48 AM
No, it's not. You just said yourself health insurance companies are "the commerce." Private companies are making money; that means it is 100% not socialism, in any way shape or form.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:57 AM
PPACA equals Government control of production and/or distribution of goods .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:55 AM
I've already clearly demonstrated that you are completely incorrect about that. The government does not control the production or distribution of health insurance. That is in the hands of private entities.
I'm sorry that you're wrong. However, you know have the choice: Will you do like you normally do and throw childish tantrum because someone pointed out that you don't know everything, or will behave like an adult and learn something knew to become a better person?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:01 PM
Yes you are sorry and yes you are wrong .
No one is throwing a temper tantrum unless it's you who keeps saying I am . Because I disagree with you doesn't make you a "better person" in any way . I've never posted I know everything , it's always been your opinion , not mine .
I don't know much but what I know , I know .
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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Donald Trump's threat to stop billions of dollars in government payments to insurers and force the collapse of "Obamacare" could put the government in a legal bind.
Law experts say he'd be handing insurers a solid court case, while undermining his own leverage to compel Democrats to negotiate, especially if premiums jump by 20 percent as expected after such a move.
"Trump thinks he's holding all the cards. But Democrats know what's in his hand, and he's got a pair of twos," said University of Michigan law professor Nicholas Bagley. Democrats "aren't about to agree to dismantle the Affordable Care Act just because Trump makes a reckless bet."
For months, the president has been threatening to stop payments that reimburse insurers for providing required financial assistance to low-income consumers, reducing their copays and deductibles.
Administration officials say the decision could come any day.
Playing defense, some insurers are preemptively raising premiums for next year. For example, BlueCross BlueShield of Arizona this week announced a 7.2 percent average hike for 2018. But there would likely be no increase if the subsidies are guaranteed, the company said. And BlueCross BlueShield of North Carolina earlier requested a 22.9 percent average increase. With the subsidies, the company said that would have been 8.8 percent.
The "cost-sharing" subsidies are under a legal cloud because of a dispute over whether the Obama health care law properly approved the payments. Other parts of the health care law, however, clearly direct the government to reimburse insurers.
The health law clearly requires insurers to help low-income consumers with their copays and deductibles. Nearly 3 in 5 HealthCare.gov customers qualify for the assistance, which can reduce a deductible of $3,500 to several hundred dollars. The annual cost to the government is about $7 billion.
The law also specifies that the government shall reimburse insurers for the cost-sharing assistance that they provide.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:12 PM
I've already clearly demonstrated that you are completely incorrect about that.
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No you haven't unless you've convinced yourself .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:13 PM
The law also specifies that the government shall reimburse insurers for the cost-sharing assistance that they provide.
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Government equals tax payers...tax payers equals all citizens..all citizens together for one commerce equals Socialism
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM
Because I disagree with you doesn't make you a "better person" in any way .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:12 PM
You aren't disagreeing with me. You're repeating incorrect and untrue information.
I've never posted I know everything , it's always been your opinion , not mine .-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:12 PM
By throwing your little tantrums anytime someone points out that you are wrong, you are saying you think you know everything.
I don't know much but what I know , I know .-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:12 PM
Sure.
No you haven't unless you've convinced yourself .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:13 PM
How many times have I used the words "private entity" in the various explanations I've given. Each one is evidence that the PPACA is not socialism.
You even admitted it yourself when you said, "The health insurance company are the conduit by which the American follow the Federal Law ."
I'm not sure why you refuse to hold on to your misconception about what socialism is. Refusing to admit you're wrong won't make you right.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:21 PM
There you go with another temper tantrum .
Refusing to admit you're wrong won't make you right.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:23 PM
all citizens together for one commerce equals Socialism
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:17 PM
First of all, no. That's not correct. Refer to the definition Ralph posted above.
Second, no it's not "all citizens together for one commerce". While government payments for a portion of the premiums of some citizens is closer to being socialist than anything else you've mentioned, you're overblowing the significance of that, and ignoring the most important part: the insurance companies remain private! Those payments help them keep profits (in for-profit companies).
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:26 PM
Refusing to admit you're wrong won't make you right.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:23 PM
No, it sure won't. However, giving the correct information will.
No matter how many times you repeat it, the PPACA will never be socialist.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 12:29 PM
The Federal State controls a commerce by Federal Law which everyone must participate . Whatever vehicle the State uses to force the populous to participate is besides the point , the fact remains , the Federal State still controls a commerce all populous must participate .
Now , you can post I've going to have a temper tantrum in your posts before I even post all you want and you can forward every post I make to the moderator you want to try and get me banned -- again -- but it won't change the PPACA , the Federal State will still control a commerce all populous must participate .
It's time to call a spade a spade .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 3:09 PM
Whatever you choose to call it, it don't work or most would be happy with it. It is a wealth redistribution scheme just as Social Security was publicly sold to be based on solid principles of private insurance.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:17 PM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:08 AM
You conveniently picked out things that you agree with and leave out the rest.
You do not go to bed at night under a system of private enterprise and Capitalism wake ip the next day as a Socialistic Society. It takes a step at a time take us there. This country has been moving in that direction for well over 50 years now.
You also failed to menation the third description. I will repeat it....
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
This is where I see us moving toward.
In no way do I agree with a socialist system or the direction in which we are headed.
You self gratuitously credit what I posted as agreeing totally with you. It does not! No system has, or is, initiated with a mere flip of a switch without a war and one faction forcing it's system on to anothee. Most often it is a creeping situation.
And Bernit Sanders was a long way left of center. One would have to be blind to not recognize that.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:34 PM
The State pays for the populous food , housing , medical , etc , etc...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:35 PM
Bernie Sanders campaigned as an admitted Socialist .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:36 PM
Prepared Remarks Democratic Socialism and Foreign Policy
Senator Bernie Sanders on Democratic Socialism in the United States
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:40 PM
Will check back later. I am deep in the heart of the Ozarks, with no phone service and spastic internet at the Lodge or Office.
Kinda nice actually.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:48 PM
I was showing how ridiculous that statement is since no one, even a self-proclaimed "Socialist" like Sanders has proposed anything close to socialism. -- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 11:16 AM
Mic2: As in most Communist, Socialist, Fascism States it only takes small steps to take over the populace. We do not need to give these different types of governments one inch into the USA....that is why ole Bernie, Hillary, Nancy, and Soros' ideals should be shot down in flames.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 5:39 PM
Semo
It's how the Socialist take over .
They turn the naïve into Socialist without them even know they are .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 5:55 PM
They turn the naïve into Socialist without them even know they are .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 5:55 PM
Rick: How true and there are 2 on this forum that are perfect candidates for being fooled.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 6:39 PM
Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:34 PM
I think that says it well.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 7:07 PM
Who thinks this is acceptable?
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"More than 1.1 million Americans dropped off the food stamp rolls since President Trump took office in January 2017, according to the latest U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) statistics on food stamp enrollment."
"At the state level, food stamp enrollment dropped significantly in places such as Georgia and Alabama once they instituted work requirements for able-bodied adults to receive food stamps. Both states fully implemented work requirements for food stamp recipients in 2016-2017."
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I DO!!!
I wonder what the resident socialists think of work requirements for able-bodied adults to receive food stamps? Is this a fault of "white privelege"? Do "black lives matter"? Is this anti "Hope and Change"? Did I leave out any leftist progressive beliefs? :-)
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:23 AM
Socialism - the downfall of any country big or small. When the freeloaders out number the workers/taxpayers the country will collapse from within.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 8:53 AM
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:34 PM
I ignored that one because it pertains it doesn't tell us much. A stage between capitalism and communism? Meaningless without an in depth study of Marxim. Unequal distribution of good and pay according to work done? That's no different from capitalism, is it?
And Bernit Sanders was a long way left of center. One would have to be blind to not recognize that.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 7, 2017, at 4:34 PM
No, you would just have to have a warped view of what "center" means to most of the world.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:37 AM
So, reading through the comments, pretty every is giving some sort of variation of: No one has proposed anything resembling socialism (definition provided by Ralph), but you just KNOW that that's where the country is headed.
I'm sorry, I base my opinions on facts, not on my *feelings*.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:39 AM
-- Posted by Doug Williams on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:23 AM
The only concern I would have with work requirements is 1) who defines "able bodied, and 2) the availability of training programs to transition people into jobs which will lift them out of poverty instead of just convincing people they are now "productive" even though they still require government assistance.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:43 AM
A) Mentioning Trump, yet not giving a single example of anything Trump or anyone else has done to cause that drop.
B) Arbitrarily choosing Trumps inauguration as the start date. Had they chosen the past 12 months, the number would have gone down over 2 million...but Obama was President for most of that.
C) Mentioning that this is the lowest level since 2010, but not mentioning it's been a steady drop over those years...most of which were Obama's years.
D) Once again bringing up Trump...but only in respect to his 2018 budget proposal, which even if accepted wouldn't begin until October.
E) Claiming Georgia and Alabama "fully implemented" work requirements in "2016-2017." First, per the Breitbart articles linked, neither state has fully implemented the requirements. Second, including 2017 to given the impression something happened during the Trump administration, when, in fact, any changes would have occurred during the Obama years, even if some went into affect after Jan. 20, 2017.
F) Not giving any information about drops in states which did not implement or change work requirements. Again, according to Breitbart's linked articles, drops in the affected Georgia counties was about 7,200, and drops in the Alabama counties was barely over 5,000. What were the drops in the rest of the counties?
There are probably more examples, but I think I've made the point. It's not important (or even reasonable) to ignore particular sources of information because you think they are biased, but it is important to be on the look out for bias and use available information to get a fuller picture.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:01 AM
I'm sorry, I base my opinions on facts, not on my *feelings*. -- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:39 AM
Mic2: Just the facts - what a guy. Who is providing the facts to the public....that's right the biased news media slanted the way that they want. All you have to do is to listen to CNN and MSNBC and their non-biased reporting (Ha) to know that this is true. Now go back to your needlepoint Mic2.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:28 AM
I'm looking forward to observing the eclipse Obama arranged for us.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:30 AM
All you have to do is to listen to CNN and MSNBC and their non-biased reporting (Ha) to know that this is true.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:28 AM
That's why you provided so many examples, isn't it.
Oh...wait...
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:59 AM
"More than 1.1 million Americans dropped off the food stamp rolls since President Trump took office in January 2017, according to the latest U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE (USDA) statistics on food stamp enrollment."
Oh! So Breitbart owns the US Dept of Agriculture? Is the Dept. of Agriculture biased? The stats support EXACTLY what the article says.
Just another of your failed deflections.
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From factcheck.org in 2015 - they say you're not telling the truth again:
" Despite the improving economy, the number of Americans receiving benefits under the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as “food stamps,” has hardly declined at all since our last report. As of September 2014, the most recent month for which the government has released figures, the total stood at just below 46.5 million people, or about 1 out of 9 Americans. The number is only 2.8 percent below the peak reached in December 2012, and still more than 45 percent higher than the month before the president was first sworn in.
Obama’s legacy is almost certain to include a stubbornly large increase in the food stamp rolls. "
And they love Obama but even they - unlike you - admit Obama owns the food stamp "stubborn" increase. Get educated.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:13 AM
That's why you provided so many examples, isn't it.
h...wait...-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:59 AM
Mic2: Why do I need to provide examples all you have to do is to watch CNN and MSNBC....you can make up your own mind can't you.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:34 AM
It's been awhile since I've went up to see the Roach's family in North St.Louis . The whole neighborhood is ran by the Government , fed , housed , utilities paid for , medical care , subsidized by all American tax payers ..Socialism .
What's crazy , Bernie Sanders admitted he was a Socialist , campaigned he was a Socialist , but there are posters who say he is no Socialist even after the man says he is . ..what does this tell you about those posters ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM
You can't fix stupid .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:44 AM
Who thinks this is acceptable?
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"U.S. Job Openings Surge to Record in Sign of Robust Labor Demand"
"July figures released last week showed payrolls increased more than forecast while the unemployment rate matched a 16-year low, as Americans came off the sidelines to join the labor force and many found work."
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I think it's acceptable. Wonder how our socialist poster will deflect this positive point? Maybe he'll pull another "It's Obama's fault"? LOL.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:08 PM
The stats support EXACTLY what the article says.-- Posted by Doug Williams on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:13 AM
I didn't say otherwise. Breitbart presented those stats in a misleading way.
Obama’s legacy is almost certain to include a stubbornly large increase in the food stamp rolls. "
-- Posted by Doug Williams on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:13 AM
Why? The Breitbart article makes clear that the levels had dropped another 4 million people before Obama left and were back to the levels from one year after he took office.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:10 PM
Why? -- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:10 PM
Ask your friends that the Obama-loving factcheck.org. They made that substantive point.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:11 PM
Why do I need to provide examples all you have to do is to watch CNN and MSNBC
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:34 AM
You're the one making the assertion and apparently watches a lot of CNN and MSNBC. I very rarely watch cable news, so I'm not going to know as much as you.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:12 PM
-- Posted by Doug Williams on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:08 PM
I think it's great! I'm just not going to ignore that it fits a years-long trend and pretend it started January 21, 2017.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:14 PM
I'm not going to know as much as you.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:12 PM
Mic2: You finally admitted your short comings....just the facts no feelings implied.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:15 PM
The Breitbart article makes clear that the levels had dropped another 4 million people before Obama left and were back to the levels from one year after he took office. -- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:10 PM
Looks like the Obama administration says you're untruthful again Sneller...
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:17 PM
What's crazy , Bernie Sanders admitted he was a Socialist , campaigned he was a Socialist , but there are posters who say he is no Socialist even after the man says he is . ..what does this tell you about those posters ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM
That they look beyond labels to what people actually say?
Sanders could have admitted he was a Republican, campaigned as a Republican. Would that make him a Republican?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:18 PM
Looks like the Obama administration says you're untruthful again Sneller...
-- Posted by Doug Williams on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:17 PM
1.) I used the numbers provided by you (~46 million)and the Breitbart article (~42 million). I apologize if either number was incorrect.
2.) The chart you just posted was regarding administration costs. Without more context, I can't determine what an "administrative cost" is, but it doesn't sound like it means money paid out in benefits.
Even if it was, that is completely different from number of enrollees, as the discussion (begun by you!) is about.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:23 PM
Mic2: You finally admitted your short comings....just the facts no feelings implied.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:15 PM
I have no problem admitting my shortcomings. Unlike some people here, I have no delusions that I know everything and am happy to learn more. Unfortunately, I have neither the time nor inclination to watch hours upon hours of CNN and MSNBC to gain the knowledge you have about what they are reporting. That's why I thought you might be willing (able?) to give examples.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:25 PM
Ask your friends that the Obama-loving factcheck.org. They made that substantive point.
-- Posted by Doug Williams on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:11 PM
You missed the rest of the question; I gave the evidence that using the factcheck.org numbers was silly, since, "The Breitbart article makes clear that the levels had dropped another 4 million people before Obama left and were back to the levels from one year after he took office."
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:27 PM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 12:25 PM
Mic2: It doesn't take hours and hours, it only takes 5 minutes of listening to either CNN or MSNBC....quit being such an................
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 1:13 PM
Mic2: It doesn't take hours and hours, it only takes 5 minutes of listening to either CNN or MSNBC....quit being such an................
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 1:13 PM
I'm an ......? You're the one blaming me for you refusal to provide information.
If, during any particular 5 minute span someone can turn on CNN or MSNBC and hear about all these proposals to bring socialism to the US, why have you been arguing with me rather than providing me even ONE of the vast number examples that would have to exist?
I don't know what's been said on CNN or MSNBC. You claim you do. Either give me an example or just admit you're making stuff up. Why do you have to make something so simple into an ordeal?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 1:36 PM
Why do you have to make something so simple into an ordeal?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 1:36 PM
Mic2: Try it yourself and have fun with yourself because I'm tired of being your nurse. Here is a song just for you:
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 1:58 PM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 1:58 PM
You don't have to admit it; it's obvious you're just making stuff up. I doubt you regularly even watch CNN or MSNBC, let along have heard news that anyone is trying to bring socialism to the US.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:05 PM
All you have to do is to listen to CNN and MSNBC and their non-biased reporting (Ha) to know that this is true.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:28 AM
That's why you provided so many examples, isn't it.
Oh...wait...
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 10:59 AM
have heard news that anyone is trying to bring socialism to the US.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:05 PM
Mic2: If you didn't have that reading problem you would have known that I was talking about biased reporting by CNN and MSNBC....see above 10:28 AM post.
Out for awhile enjoy yourself.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:26 PM
Trump is like taking your own ham to a fancy dinner.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:31 PM
"That they look beyond labels to what people actually say?"
They've sold their soul to the Government and turn a blind eye to the fact Government is the largest employer in the USA , controls all commerce and production in the USA , runs all entitlements , and does whatever it wants to whoever it wants . Even to the point when a candidate announces they are a Socialist , they don't even know unless the Government tells them so . I bet if Obama said , "Sanders is a Socialist and his ideology is Socialism." you Socialist would believe it then...
The dude actually said he was a Socialist , it was his own label . What proof do you need ?
You can't fix stupid .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:36 PM
Mic2: If you didn't have that reading problem you would have known that I was talking about biased reporting by CNN and MSNBC....see above 10:28 AM post.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:26 PM
I know exactly what you were talking about, you claim that you saw on "biased" CNN and MSNBC that some people were proposing to bring socialist policies to the US. I've asked you time and time again to support such a statement, and you've been unable to.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:40 PM
What proof do you need ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:36 PM
Ideas and proposals that are actually socialist!
I don't care what label you or Obama or Sanders puts on him. Labels are meaningless without support. I can say that you're a convicted murderer. You can even accept that label. Does that mean you've killed someone? Of course not. If you haven't been convicted of murder, you aren't a convicted murderer, no matter what anyone says.
Sanders isn't a socialist, no matter what label anyone puts on him.
Here's your problem, "[the government] does whatever it wants to whoever it wants"
That's what you think socialism is; "government". It's not. You are WRONG about what socialism is. Period.
Ralph was kind enough to give a basic definition of socialism above. You can read it if you choose to learn more or..."You can't fix stupid ."
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:47 PM
"Sanders isn't a socialist, no matter what label anyone puts on him."
Tell him , not me . He made the claim .
"You are WRONG about what socialism is. Period."
Screaming like a child doesn't make you right . Period . I know I'm right , that's all that matters , scream and have your little temper tantrum in CAPS all you want , it doesn't change the facts .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:53 PM
Use your own advice , just admit you're wrong , you'll be a better person for doing it...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:54 PM
You really can't fix stupid . Ignorant is possible , but stupid , no .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:58 PM
I know I'm right , that's all that matters ,
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:53 PM
Yep, Rick, you're right. You know everything. All the evidence in the world doesn't make a difference; it's wrong and you're right. Rick Scaggs know everything, including but not limited to complex socioeconomic systems.
I apologize for ever doubting.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 3:03 PM
You're excused . ..now go play with the rest of the kids..and no more screaming .
This is a part of the problem with America , People shout and stomp their feet when they don't get their way . They pout .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 3:29 PM
Try looking up this example as real "socialism."
"Native American Reservations: "Socialist Archipelago" Mises Institute
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:14 PM
Makes Bernie look like a good conservative.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:21 PM
Rick Lettau
Have you ever been to a "Reservation" or know anything about them first hand ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM
Or are you making a weak attempt at being "Liberal" ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:31 PM
You do know "Reservations" are Penal Colonies set up by the USA Government , right? You still believe Bernie isn't a Socialist , don't you , even to the point of discriminating the Peoples . It seems you've always been able to discriminate the red man though for whatever reason , it's the black man you champion .
That's pretty sad...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:51 PM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 6:52 PM
“In Vermont, everybody knows that I am a socialist"
Bernie Sanders
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 7:14 PM
Rick Lettau
No , you're right , us injuns should be segregated from regular Peoples , we are the lowest of the low , even worse then Bernie Sanders . Keep us on the rez , you know all about it ! Thnx for pointing that out ..again .
It doesn't change the fact Bernie Sanders is an open and admitted Socialist , I'm not sure why posters can't believe it's true after the man said so himself , but...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 7:27 PM
"Insulting Obama is equal in quality and class as an insult to Christ" - Rick Lettau
Says all you need to know.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 8:50 PM
Rick Lettau has always been quick to prejudice the Peoples for whatever reason . Penal colonies isn't enough , we're worse then Russia and Cuba . No doubt . I'm not sure how much more oppressions and controls are left , it's ironic , all the arguments about slavery and the black man but still pounds away at the Peoples after all this time . Does the "(D)" run that deep ? Is this an example of a 2017 "Liberal" ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:02 PM
Lettau's Link points out the failures of progressive-liberal thinking and the policies of democrats, most obvious is the New Deal that prolonged the great depression and put so many people dependent on a more intrusive anti-liberty federal government.
The article is not so much about socialism but the effects of restraining free market capitalism in which property rights is one of the key components.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:15 PM
Lettau's Link points out the failures of progressive-liberal thinking and the policies of democrats, most obvious is the New Deal that prolonged the great depression and put so many people dependent on a more intrusive anti-liberty federal government. -- Posted by R. W. Bess on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 9:15 PM
And who holds the record for the worst economic recovery in US History? The progressive / socialist / leftist Barack Hussein Obama.
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"If mismanaging an economic recovery were an Olympic event, President Obama would be standing on the middle platform right now, accepting the gold medal.
Deep recessions are supposed to be followed by strong recoveries, but, under Obama, the worst recession since the 1930s has been followed by the slowest economic recovery in the history of the republic."
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 7:13 AM
"...should be segregated from regular Peoples..."
If that's your opinion, you're welcome to it, however, it is not mine.
The main reason for referencing the article is to illustrate what real "socialism" is. No private ownership, all government monopolies, etc.
That's nothing like the situation in the US today, where private ownership is the rule and free enterprise flourishes.
As mentioned more than once, those on SO that believe that America is "socialist" need to interview past residents of the USSR or East Germany to learn what real socialism is.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 7:35 AM
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 7:35 AM
Common: What I've been trying to tell you and your buddy Mic2 is that the USA is not a Socialist country now but the teachings of ole Bernie, Hillary, and George Soros is for a Socialist country but thank goodness that the Republicans are in control.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 7:51 AM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 7:51 AM
Exactly. Letter's heroes are socialist and push the socialist political agenda.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 8:04 AM
"The main reason for referencing the article is to illustrate what real "socialism" is. No private ownership, all government monopolies, etc."
...........
As in the Barack Obama statement nobody built or owned anything by their self without the Government's help , or the Government is owner of all commerce and industry .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 12:16 PM
The article also points out "Indian Country" is a generic metaphor for 310 Penal Colonies spread out across the USA owned by the USA , or "Reservations" :
"So legally, many of these land enclaves are a federal property. So there you cannot freely buy and sell land or use it as collateral. On top of this, since the Indian tribes are wards of the federal government, one cannot sue them for breach of contract."
Rick Lettau has provided a link proving the USA is Socialism besides the point he is a racist .
"Reservations" are wrong , always have been , always will be .
Socialism doesn't work .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 12:25 PM
The fall of the great Empire USSR should prove Socialism does not work .
"The Soviet Union, officially the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, also known unofficially as Russia, was a socialist state in Eurasia that existed from 1922 to 1991. Nominally a union of multiple equal national Soviet republics, its government and economy were highly centralized."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 12:33 PM
Liberty Union Party
The Liberty Union Party (LUP) of Vermont is a radical left political party founded in 1970 by former Congressman William H. Meyer, Peter Diamondstone, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Morrisseau and others.[4][5] The LUP has had minor successes in local elections in Vermont.
The Liberty Union party (LUP) was formed to contest the Vermont elections of 1970.[6] In 1971, People's Party was formed as a national umbrella party for various Socialist-oriented state parties including the LUP.[7]
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 12:44 PM
They started this turn in the discussion because their investigation looking for a crime ain't going well.
The media has now began spinning Trump's comments regarding N Korea as putting us at risk of nuclear war. Meanwhile on the home front, the 'establishment swamp lizard' bunch in DC are starting the Martha Stewart tactics to create a crime.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 7:56 PM
No worries . Sneller will be along shortly to correct you followed by Lettau blaming it all on the injuns .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 8:42 PM
Rick: The resident Socialist Democrats tonight must be watching reruns of Obama and Hillary's speeches of the good ole days.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 9:33 PM
Semo, Wonder where Wheels is on all this so entertaining exchange.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 9:42 PM
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 9:42 PM
OJ: Wheels must be working on that Honey Do List.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 10:34 PM
"...blaming it all on the injuns."
Why should anyone do that? Better yet, blame what? What is the "it?"
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM
Yadier Molina hit a grand slam last night to lift the Cardinals to a win.
It's Obama's fault.
-- Posted by Doug Williams 4/24 on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:46 AM
Why should anyone do that? Better yet, blame what? What is the "it?"-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:26 AM
Common: You sound a lot like Cigar Bill and his meaning of the word "is".
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:47 AM
his meaning of the word "is".
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:47 AM
What was the answer to that question?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 AM
As in the Barack Obama statement nobody built or owned anything by their self without the Government's help ,
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 12:16 PM
He didn't say that.
Oh wait...I forgot who I was responding to.
Yes, Rick that's exactly what Obama said. I know it is because you are perfect and it is impossible for you to make a mistake or misquote someone! Sorry about that!
or the Government is owner of all commerce and industry .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Wed, Aug 9, 2017, at 12:16 PM
OK, I know that you know everything and all, but the variety of stocks in the accounts always made me think me and other individuals owned a lot of commerce and industry. Are those stocks just a ploy by the socialist government to fool me into thinking I own a part of commerce and industry?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 10:15 AM
What was the answer to that question?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 9:56 AM
Mic2: Try using Google, I'm not interested in your silly questions....remember - A fool can ask more questions than 7 wise men can answer.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:39 AM
Mic2: Try using Google,
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:39 AM
I don't care what the answer is; I don't care about that statement at all. Since you thought it was important enough to bring up, I was curious if you had any idea what you were talking about.
It seems you don't, since you, once again, put the blame on me for your choices.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM
It seems you don't, since you, once again, put the blame on me for your choices.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:45 AM
Mic2: My comment was to "Common" and not to you - do you understand. I don't answer to you now or ever so get off of my comments unless I they are directed to you - understand.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM
Mic2: My comment was to "Common" and not to you - do you understand. I don't answer to you now or ever so get off of my comments unless I they are directed to you - understand.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM
Ooooh...hit the nail on the head, didn't I? You think Clinton's "definition of is is" statement is so important, but you have no idea what you're talking about, let alone hime.
I will respond as I see fit to whomever's comments I'd like, as everyone should.
You can only control what you post; not what I post.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:56 AM
Ooooh...hit the nail on the head, didn't I? You think Clinton's "definition of is is" statement is so important, but you have no idea what you're talking about, let alone hime. You can only control what you post; not what I post.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 11:56 AM
Mic2: Now don't go and report me for upsetting you. BTW, that Ooooh sounds girlish to me - try manning up. Out for awhile be back later to set you straight.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 12:16 PM
To Destroy North Korea:
"Have Trump Buy It And Run It As One Of His Businesses."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:03 PM
..as long as we both understand I'm right Sneller..
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:04 PM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM
..as long as we both understand I'm right Sneller..
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:04 PM
I learned my lesson!
That's why I wanted to know if my stocks are just a ploy by the socialist government to fool me into thinking I own a part of commerce and industry?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:20 PM
Good , now you can move on to other things
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:25 PM
Poll: Half of Republicans would back postponing 2020 election if Trump proposed it
..................
Slightly more than half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election if President Trump proposed it to make sure only eligible American citizens can vote, according to a new survey.
If Trump and congressional Republicans proposed postponing the election to ensure only eligible citizens could vote, support from Republicans rises to 56 percent.
A majority of Republicans, 68 percent, also thinks millions of illegal immigrants voted in the presidential election and 73 percent think voter fraud happens somewhat or very often.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:34 PM
Good , now you can move on to other things
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:25 PM
I'm trying to, such as how I'm so wrong about thinking owning stocks meant I owned part of commerce and industry.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:43 PM
"If Trump and congressional Republicans proposed postponing the election to ensure only eligible citizens could vote, support from Republicans rises to 56 percent."
That's probably the scariest thing I've ever read. Over half of Republicans are willing to throw away the nation because they're afraid.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:46 PM
"...thinks millions of illegal immigrants voted..."
That must be what makes them republican/conservatives.
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:55 PM
...thinks millions of illegal immigrants voted..."
-- Posted by Rick Lettau on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 1:55 PM
Common: Everyone knows that to be true....only the snowflakes who hide and play with their safety pins don't.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 2:03 PM
Everyone knows that to be true.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 2:03 PM
Then why haven't any of those millions of people that everyone knows about my charged with crimes?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 2:07 PM
Then why haven't any of those millions of people that everyone knows about my charged with crimes?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 2:07 PM
Mic2: Because the state of California condoned it and the election judges did not do their jobs in California and some of these other Sanctuary States/ cities.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 3:28 PM
Mic2: That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 3:29 PM
Mic2: That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 3:29 PM
And I'm sure you've based your opinion on the evidence you've seen showing that election judges in California didn't do their jobs.
And I'm sure you'll be happy to share that evidence to everyone else, right?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 3:43 PM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 3:43 PM
Mic2: Look it up yourself, that's why I said it was my opinion inorder to keep your silly questions to yourself but apparently you can't understand....what a waste of money spent on your so call education.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 4:00 PM
Look it up yourself, -- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 4:00 PM
Look up what myself? That doesn't even make sense. I can't look up what you've seen. That's why I thought you'd be willing to share.
Opinions are only worth what they're based on. In this case, it appears you've once again based your opinion on your feelings rather than any actual evidence.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 4:24 PM
This is like a soap opera. You can miss it for weeks and still know what is going on.
Miccheck is still nitpicking posts and Lettau still hasn't bothered to look at video of the reservations that myself and now Rick has asked him to view so he can tell us why anyone who lives there would praise ANY President for the privilege of attempting to survive there!
-- Posted by Karen Jones on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 4:46 PM
Look up what myself? That doesn't even make sense. I can't look up what you've seen. That's why I thought you'd be willing to share.
Opinions are only worth what they're based on. In this case, it appears you've once again based your opinion on your feelings rather than any actual evidence.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 4:24 PM
Mic2: Sorry that you are unable to google California voter fraud just ask any 9 year old to help you. True opinions are only worth what they're based on - mine are based on what I read and see on unbiased news print or TV programs. Your opinions as well as "Common" comes from the DNC webpages for talking points or from some biased news media such as CNN and MSNBC and not from logical thinking by oneself.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 5:12 PM
"This is like a soap opera. You can miss it for weeks and still know what is going on."
Yep, kind of like Face Book... another cat video or "like and share if you agree" post. :)
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 6:22 PM
Guess our two Liberal Snowflake Democrats are already for bedtime - don't forget your little safety pins to play with.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 6:34 PM
Mic2:" BTW, that Ooooh sounds girlish to me"
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 12:16 PM
Glad someone finally figured it out Mr Schaefer
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 7:49 PM
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 7:49 PM
DA: You are the "RockandRoll"....right?
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:29 PM
Those who sold their soul to Obama are lost now . Embarassingly so .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:35 PM
Guess our two Liberal Snowflake Democrats are already for bedtime -
Reckon those of inferior logic are consumed with one thing, ruin Trump and get back to destroying America with the progressive agenda.
They are happy to discuss the definition of socialism while they favor the Fascism of 1930's Germany and Italy that was built on a Jim Crow Democrat platform.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 8:57 PM
Yep, kind of like Face Book... another cat video or "like and share if you agree" post. :)
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 6:22 PM
It's almost gotten to the point it's so crazy a person has to laugh or try to find some sort of shred of humor .
Any attempt at serious conversation turns into a comedy anyway .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 9:58 PM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 10:17 PM
Sanders isn't a socialist, no matter what label anyone puts on him.
Here's your problem, "[the government] does whatever it wants to whoever it wants"
That's what you think socialism is; "government". It's not. You are WRONG about what socialism is. Period.
Ralph was kind enough to give a basic definition of socialism above. You can read it if you choose to learn more or..."You can't fix stupid ."
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 8, 2017, at 2:47 PM
Sneller,
Sorry I am so long in correcting your know it all attitude, but I have been close to the edge of communication civilization since Sunday. AT&T appears to not know or care that this location exists, no phone calls in or out, texts were a non existent entity and Wi-Fi at the Lodge was slower than dial up, when it worked at all.
But the one messages I did get sent called you out on using my Post as justification for your position which it did not. You ignored what you did not like and chose to stand on what you did like.
You keep telling people they do not know what Socialism is or that they do not know the definition of Socialism.
Since you appear to think you know it's true definition, why don't you share that knowledge with the rest of us poor deprived individuals.
The definitions I posted contained this paragraph saying Socialism, like most everything has evolved somewhat from it's initial definition in the early 1800's. Here it is, now tell us your personal definition is the only one that is valid.
"In the many years since socialism entered English around 1830, it has acquired several different meanings. It refers to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control, but the conception of that control has varied, and the term has been interpreted in widely diverging ways, ranging from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. In the modern era, “pure” socialism has been seen only rarely and usually briefly in a few Communist regimes. Far more common are systems of social democracy, now often referred to as democratic socialism, in which extensive state regulation, with limited state ownership, has been employed by democratically elected governments (as in Sweden and Denmark) in the belief that it produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth."
Sneller, please note that it does not say that the Government must own all forms of commerce to qualify as Socialism. Controlling commerce is enough to qualify and everyone here has got to know by now how controlled we are.
Next on what Bernie Sanders is..... an individual can be a Socialist in their beliefs if or not the country or Government they live in and under has moved to total Socialism. Sanders is a Socialist as he professes to be, regardless of the stage of Socialism the country he is a citizen of has reached.
There is no question the United States has been pulled in that direction by the Leftist Democrats with the free food, housing and spending money they have put into the hands of those who would rather not work and live off those who chose to be a worthwhile citizen. In my book, if you are able, you should work or not share in the bounty the country produces.
There is definitely more than one level of Socialism that can still be called Socialism. You saying there is not, is like try to tell us there is only one shade of gray, or any other color.
Or if that comparison does not suit, what about have a low grade fever, is it still a fever or what temperature does it have to be before we are permitted to call it a fever.
So how about it, let's hear your hard fast unbending definition of what Socialism is, since you are obviously professing to know more than those who wrote the dictionary.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 10:41 PM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 10:41 PM
Wheels: Welcome back to the real world....I was concerned that the Leftist Socialist had kidnaped you and were torturing you with reruns of Obama and Hillary's speeches.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 8:20 AM
Semo471
If you want to miss the hustle and bustle of life back in town, try some quiet time with your wife, a son, a daughter, an in law and two teen age grandchildren.
All planned by your wife, in this remote valley with the spring fed creek stocked with trout that time seemed to have forgotten. Until YOU get the itemized bill at checkout.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 8:41 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 8:43 AM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 8:41 AM
Wheels: We all have to pay for our fun....did you all check for weapons at the cabin door?
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 8:55 AM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 8:55 AM
Semo471
The only thing I saw that was weaponized was the nice fat snake that I failed to thank for moving and rustling the leaves alerting me to his presence..... right before I made a hasty retreat.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:14 AM
It's good to see you are ok Wheels , I ways wondering , I was thinking about giving you a call . It's good you bring some sanity back to the madness . It's good you got away with the family too , peace of mind is priceless , no ?
Good luck with Sneller , one who says they're always open to learn new things -- from others who know nothing -- the great paradox . I guess you know you've rattled the cage and woke the ape again .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:20 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:20 AM
Thanks Rick,
Yes quiet time time with family is good. But there is a limit. 😊
And yes there are those brief moments of peace when no one is able to rattle your cage.
So far as waking any dumb animals or otherwise, just thought the record needed to be set straight. Anyway the poster in question appears to be a union poster. With today being Friday, things should quieten down about 5:00 leaving a nice peaceful weekend.
Different topic..... liked the picture of the Boy King.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:49 AM
You keep telling people they do not know what Socialism is or that they do not know the definition of Socialism.
Since you appear to think you know it's true definition, why don't you share that knowledge with the rest of us poor deprived individuals.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 10:41 PM
I've made it quite clear that I agree with the definition you've posted. I'm sorry that you don't like that, but it's true.
Rick S. is the one who thinks he knows that the true definition of socialism is different from what you posted, so we should both be ashamed we doubted his all-knowing mightiness.
Sneller, please note that it does not say that the Government must own all forms of commerce to qualify as Socialism.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 10:41 PM
It also says it's not socialism. "Far more common are systems of *social democracy*, now often referred to as *democratic socialism"*
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:52 AM
News Flash: Kim Jong of North Korea has some dirt on Hillary and will release it next Monday.....blink blink. Let's see if he commits suicide in the next few days.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:53 AM
For those who ask , how did Obama divide the Nation ? Why is Obama responsible for Trump ? Here is one example .
Is it time ?
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Is Changing the Constitution the Only Way to Fix Washington?
Next month delegations of state lawmakers will travel to Phoenix, Arizona, to attend what organizers say will be the first formal convention of states since the Civil War. They’ll gather at the capitol, inside the turquoise-carpeted House chamber, and draw up rules for a hoped-for future meeting: a convention to draft an amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
No “amendment convention” has taken place since the Constitution was written over 200 years ago. But the idea is gaining steam now, stoked by groups on the left and right that say amendments drafted and ratified by states are the last, best hope for fixing the nation’s broken political system and dysfunctional — some even say tyrannical — federal government.
“We have a Congress in the United States made up of two bodies — House and Senate — that are incapable of restricting their own power,” said Texas state Sen. Brian Birdwell, a Republican. With the conventions, he said, states are stepping in to clean up the mess.
The current push for a convention began in the early years of the Obama administration, mostly driven by Republican lawmakers. Ohio Gov. John Kasich and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott are big supporters. So are former presidential candidates Sen. Ted Cruz and Sen. Marco Rubio. Although many amendment topics have been proposed, the most popular would require the federal government to balance its budget.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 9:55 AM
Rick S. is the one who thinks he knows that the true definition of socialism is different from what you posted, so we should both be ashamed we doubted his all-knowing mightiness.
.......
Quite wrong , I posted the USA is a Socialist Nation . I believe you became unglued at that point . For some inane reason you jump all over anything I post about any issue , even tried banning me , it really doesn't matter anymore , it is what it is ..
Don't go away mad , just go away .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:01 AM
Mic2: Sorry that you are unable to google California voter fraud just ask any 9 year old to help you.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 5:12 PM
Oh my goodness, aren't you clever!
mine are based on what I read and see on unbiased news print or TV programs. -- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 5:12 PM
Then show me what you read; these "unbiased" sources! I've asked repeatedly. The only reason we're still having this conversation is because YOU won't (can't?) support your opinion with even one of the supposed plethora of sources that you claim to have read/see.
Your opinions as well as "Common" comes from the DNC webpages for talking points or from some biased news media such as CNN and MSNBC
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 5:12 PM
I don't read DNC webpages, nor do I watch CNN or MSNBC. It seems you spend a lot of time doing so.
not from logical thinking by oneself.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 5:12 PM
How arrogant! I have news for you: many people hold a variety of opinions that they have thought out logically by themselves. Most of them will be different from yours. You don't have a monopoly on logical thinking.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:02 AM
Quite wrong , I posted the USA is a Socialist Nation .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:01 AM
Exactly. And the US does not fit the definition provided by Ralph.
Therefore, you think you know the true definition.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:04 AM
geezzz...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:06 AM
Wheels
I apologize for the nit-wit stalker involving you in their nightmare..
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:07 AM
How arrogant! I have news for you: many people hold a variety of opinions that they have thought out logically by themselves. Most of them will be different from yours. You don't have a monopoly on logical thinking.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:02 AM
Mic2: Must have struck a nerve with you....have others thru the years say the same about you as I have - no logically thinking by you just repeating what others have said....sad to be you.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:14 AM
Mic2: Sorry that you are unable to google California voter fraud just ask any 9 year old to help you.-- Posted by David Schaefer on Thu, Aug 10, 2017, at 5:12 PM
Oh my goodness, aren't you clever!-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:02 AM
Mic2: Well did you try or did you ask an 9 year old or are you just whining and crying like a little Snowflake.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:17 AM
"Exactly. And the US does not fit the definition provided by Ralph."
Which definition, "Ralph" did not post a single definition. You chose to pick out of there one single thing that fits your agenda and ignore everything else.
There is no single definition for Socialism. And yes the United States is moving towards Socialism of a degree. Hopefully you Leftists will never get your way and take us totally into the purest form of Socialism.
Socialism of a "shade" does already exist here. And yes there are Socialists among us. Bernie is definitely a Sociaist. Does anyone remember Joe the Plumber challenging Obama on Obama's Socialistic belief in wealth redistribution?
Maybe I missed it Sneller, where is your definition of Socialism. Without it, how can you say anyone else is wrong. If you say I furnished it again, then be honest enough to point it out and explain that what I posted discusses degrees of Socialism.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:41 AM
What?? No response??
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 11:45 AM
Wheels: The Leftist Liberal Democrats on here are like the river hippos - they lay around in the water and mud all day then every once in awhile they open their big mouths then it's back to the water and mud.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 12:11 PM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 12:11 PM
Good description. No, change that..... Excellent description!
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 12:30 PM
Wallowing in their own chaotic , insecure delusions ..
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 12:46 PM
Or the hippos come out of the mud hole to "air" out and spread some.....https://youtu.be/Z7rXPjWfjvE
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 3:19 PM
Notice how when some folks are caught in their lies or deceptive practices always do a disappearing act. Well described as wallowing in their mudhole.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 3:51 PM
DA
A very descriptive video of some of the happenings hereabout.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 4:32 PM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 5:04 PM
Pretty good summary.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 11:20 PM
You don't have a monopoly on logical thinking.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:02 AM
Mr. Lettau does, just ask him.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 11:26 PM
Isn't it about feeding time for the hungry River Hippos....or are they just content to roll around in the water and mud.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 7:40 AM
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 3:19 PM
DA,
It just dawned on me, you have found the perfect video to use as a visual to demonstrate to those who cannot understand what is happening when someone uses the term "when the watchmacallit hits the occilator".
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 8:03 AM
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 8:09 AM
The hippos may be seeking asylum from Trump in Canada?
Media claiming he's so bad people are trying to get out for real, 1st time ever and Little Kim is the only sane one in democrat's Korea mess.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 9:28 AM
Another example of Obama's divisions....loss to the Right of Freedom of Expression , the Confederate Flag for example , while promoting "black lives matter"....
......................
Far-right protesters gather at University of Virginia
University of Virginia police dispersed a gathering of far-right protesters on the Charlottesville, Va. campus Friday night ahead of a planned demonstration by white nationalists, white supremacists and alt-right groups on Saturday.
Police arriving on the scene declared the protest on Friday an "unlawful assembly" and told demonstrators to disperse, video footage of the gathering shows.
Protesters holding torches clustered on the campus in an apparent lead-up to a Saturday demonstration protesting Charlottesville's decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
Photos and video of the protests posted on social media Friday showed demonstrators marching through dark walkways, chanting slogans like "white lives matter" and "you will not replace us."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 9:43 AM
Nikki Haley for President...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 9:45 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 9:43 AM
Rick
I didn't see any Windows smashed or any fires set.
Noisy but peaceful.
Quite a contrast to the wacko crybabies who protested Trump’s winning in spite of the voter fraud in areas with heavy illegal alien residents
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 10:50 AM
Has anyone noticed that Mic2 (Mr. Sneller) doesn't post anything over the weekends....is it because his mommy won't let me on the computer.
-- Posted by David Schaefer on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 11:02 AM
I think Sneller is a union poster. Weekends are overtime.
But then you could be correct! :-)
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 11:32 AM
1 dead , 19 sent to the hospital ....
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 4:59 PM
Rick,
I may have been a tad premature in praising the protesters for being peaceful.
Not much is being said about the far left anti protestors have been a factor. And whoever the looser cannon was that drove that car into the crowd really set things afire.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 9:57 PM
Anyone else notice how the media and so many seem to put everyone in different groups? Young people are called generation something or another, older folks are baby boomers, we have all kinds of race groups etc. No one is to be an individual or recognized as other than some demographic.
Each group is dependent on government somehow and needs government to favor them over another group.
Check out Imprimis vol 46 #7/8 and read the short commencement address to students of Founders classical Academy 5-27-17.
Be amazed and dumbfounded at what was said and who gave the address to the 11 graduates.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 12:32 AM
This all could have been avoided .
The "black lives matter" shouldn't have been allowed to fester for years , it's only natural for some sort of back lash or re-coil to happen .
The Confederate Flag and Statues should never have been forced down after all these decades , it's a removal to Freedom of Expression . The Racist made it , and are still making , about Racism .
The media are screaming this is an act of domestic terrorism . Maybe , maybe not . Would it mean Ferguson and the ensueing cities that began the whole mess were acts of terrorism too ?
This crap could go back and forth for years and years .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 8:37 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 8:46 AM
Who decides these things , how can one be unlawful , Virginia , and the other lawful , Ferguson ?
...........
Unlawful Assembly
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees individuals the right of freedom of assembly. Under the Common Law and modern statutes, however, the meeting of three or more persons may constitute an unlawful assembly if the persons have an illegal purpose or if their meeting will breach the public peace of the community. If they actually execute their purpose, they have committed the criminal offense of riot.
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Three dead after violent clashes in Charlottesville :
Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) confirmed Saturday night that at least three people were killed after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Va. turned violent.
One of the three died after a car plowed through a group of counter-protesters. The two other victims were Virginia State Police Department officers who were in a helicopter that crashed.
"But as clashes broke out ahead of the so-called "Unite the Right" rally Saturday morning, police declared the gathering an unlawful assembly, breaking up the event before it officially began."
A vehicle plowed through a crowd of counter-protesters in the afternoon after the police broke up the violent clashes.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 9:42 AM
Seems like the Black supremacists didn't like the White supremacists excercising their 1st amendment rights.
Funny how the government sent in the riot police so quickly but let places like Ferguson play out,so to speak.
And ,of course,it's all Trumps fault.
-- Posted by DA Braswell on Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 10:17 AM
DA,
I have a feeling, if the Black Supremacists had stayed away the White monkeys would have marched, chanted a little and gone home.
Extremists are a problem anywhere and on any subject. Leave out the "color" and the "cause"..... it is irrelevant.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Sun, Aug 13, 2017, at 12:51 PM
Who decides these things , how can one be unlawful , Virginia , and the other lawful , Ferguson ?-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Sat, Aug 12, 2017, at 9:43 AM
Both were lawful, until they weren't and then law enforcement broke them up, in Charlottesville and Ferguson.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 10:06 AM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 10:06 AM
Law enforcement did not break them up in Ferguson "when" they became violent and looted and burned. Our worthless Governor told them to stand by, and millions of dollars worth of damage was done. They burned a Police car right in the street in front of God and the watching World and nothing was done to stop it.
So don't even think of passing that fraudulent statement off on us.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 11:44 AM
Law enforcement did not break them up in Ferguson "when" they became violent and looted and burned-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 11:44 AM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 11:55 AM
I don't need a 2nd hand report from hundreds of miles away to tell me what was happening in Ferguson. I live within 10 miles of that he'll hole and watched the destruction and lifting first hand on local TV.
Don't try portraying isolated incidences of control as being the rule in that law enforcement fiasco.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:02 PM
I don't need a 2nd hand report from hundreds of miles away to tell me what was happening in Ferguson. I live within 10 miles of that he'll hole and watched the destruction and lifting first hand on local TV.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:02 PM
I live much closer than you did, close enough to know that it is far from a "he'llhole," but that doesn't matter at all, since neither of us were there.
Don't try portraying isolated incidences of control as being the rule in that law enforcement fiasco.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:02 PM
You are giving a second-hand report. The articles I linked were written by or based upon first-hand reports.
Not that it matters. Those articles make it quite clear that police broke up the protests in Ferguson, both in August and in November, despite your claim otherwise.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:11 PM
Not that it matters. Those articles make it quite clear that police broke up the protests in Ferguson, both in August and in November, despite your claim otherwise.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:11 PM
Yeah, that is why we saw the pictures on our TV screens of gangs burning and looting stores. Not to mention the burning of the Police Car.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:37 PM
Yeah, that is why we saw the pictures on our TV screens of gangs burning and looting stores. Not to mention the burning of the Police Car.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:37 PM
What does that have to do with the protests they broke up?
Just because not everyone went home and went to bed after the protests were broken up doesn't me the protests weren't broken up just like they were in Charlottesville. In fact, individuals creating havoc on their own SUPPORTS my contention that the protests were broken up.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM
In fact, individuals creating havoc on their own SUPPORTS my contention that the protests were broken up.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 12:49 PM
Your contention is just that, yours, and meaningless.
Prime Time TV wasn't a few individuals creating havoc, it was the main crowd.
Same crap happened in, I belive it was Philadelphia, where the Mayor told the Police to "stand down".
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 1:21 PM
Prime Time TV wasn't a few individuals creating havoc, it was the main crowd.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 1:21 PM
No, it was not. The "main crowd" dispersed, especially after the police started using tear gas on them. I think you are letting your opinions color your memories. Memories are crazy things...that's why articles like those I posted are so important.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 1:35 PM
...that's why articles like those I posted are so important.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 1:35 PM
Yes of course, articles from 3 states away are always more relevant than what is going on with the local reports.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:33 PM
Sneller,
I know you think everybody forgot that you left unanswered questions when you split on Friday.... I haven't
"Exactly. And the US does not fit the definition provided by Ralph."
Which definition, "Ralph" did not post a single definition. You chose to pick out of there one single thing that fits your agenda and ignore everything else.
There is no single definition for Socialism. And yes the United States is moving towards Socialism of a degree. Hopefully you Leftists will never get your way and take us totally into the purest form of Socialism.
Socialism of a "shade" does already exist here. And yes there are Socialists among us. Bernie is definitely a Sociaist. Does anyone remember Joe the Plumber challenging Obama on Obama's Socialistic belief in wealth redistribution?
Maybe I missed it Sneller, where is your definition of Socialism. Without it, how can you say anyone else is wrong. If you say I furnished it again, then be honest enough to point it out and explain that what I posted discusses degrees of Socialism.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Fri, Aug 11, 2017, at 10:41 AM
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:43 PM
Yes of course, articles from 3 states away are always more relevant than what is going on with the local reports.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:33 PM
They weren't articles from 3 states away; they were articles by people with first-hand experience.
Seriously, the whole reason the national media got involved was because of reports the police were too violent with protesters, that tear gas and rubber bullets and riot gear were 'excessive force.' Why you think that didn't happen is beyond me.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:57 PM
I know you think everybody forgot that you left unanswered questions when you split on Friday.... I haven't
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:43 PM
I don't care if you've forgotten or not. I post as I please and have no desire to go through days worth of posts to respond to stale comments.
No one owes you a response to anything.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:59 PM
"They weren't articles from 3 states away; they were articles by people with first-hand experience."
And of course the local media with their TV cameras were not first-hand experience.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:21 PM
I don't care if you've forgotten or not. I post as I please and have no desire to go through days worth of posts to respond to stale comments.
No one owes you a response to anything.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 2:59 PM
Touchy aren't we? After your definition of socialism was not spelled out and you were proved wrong, you split for a few days.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:23 PM
And of course the local media with their TV cameras were not first-hand experience.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:21 PM
Of course they were. What's your point? You haven't posted anything from local media.
As for your articles, they are specifically about trying to stop riots after the protests had been broken up, but breaking up protests, which the police did. They are referring to different things.
Again, reason this case was in the national spotlight was because of the allegations of *excessive force* by the police in handling the protests.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:27 PM
Just my opinion , the black lives matter was , and has been , allowed to fester for too long .
Riots are riots to the blind .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:27 PM
you split for a few days.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:23 PM
Again, I post as I please.
No one owes you a response.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:29 PM
Just my opinion , the black lives matter was , and has been , allowed to fester for too long .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:27 PM
I know! How dare those black people think their lives matter!
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:32 PM
No one owes you a response.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:29 PM
Certainly not.... so take the cowardly approach and split when you are wrong.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:33 PM
Mike Sneller
All life matters , why should any race , or any life , matter more then any other ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM
Did that woman who was run down by the car deserve to die ?
Do all of those babies with black skin deserve to be aborted every single day -- black lives matter ....
How about the gun crime and murders .
All of life matters .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:39 PM
Certainly not
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:33 PM
Then why are you harassing me about not responding?
If someone doesn't respond to you, move on! They don't owe you a response.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:42 PM
I have red skin -- "How dare those black people think their lives matter!"
Great , another bigot ...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:43 PM
All life matters , why should any race , or any life , matter more then any other ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM
It doesn't, which is exactly the point of the Black Lives Matter movement, such as it exists.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:43 PM
As for your articles, they are specifically about trying to stop riots after the protests had been broken up, but breaking up protests, which the police did. They are referring to different things.
Again, reason this case was in the national spotlight was because of the allegations of *excessive force* by the police in handling the protests.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:27 PM
The articles prove what I said in the beginning. Gov. Nixon told enforcement to stand down and the looting and the rioting continued, contrary to your statement which follows.
"Both were lawful, until they weren't and then law enforcement broke them up, in Charlottesville and Ferguson.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 10:06 AM"
Law breakiong is law breaking and who cares what the outsiders had to say, this was a Ferguson, Missouri situation and it should have never been left to get out of hand. The law breakers needed to be stopped by the degree of force necessary to do so.
Nixon took his cue from Obama would be my opinion and as usual Obama did his Ready, Fire, Aim approach.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:45 PM
I just agreed , what's your point ? All colors matter , not just black . ..so does red..and yellow..and brown..and white...it's not black exclusive .
Those who are trying to make it black exclusive are bigots ...it breeds what happened Saturday.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:46 PM
I have relatives who live in Ferguson . ..People were allowed to riot...People came in from out of town to riot ..it was a National event that lasted more then one day , People lost their business over the whole thing , it spread nation wide ...now it's spreading again ..
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:49 PM
Gov. Nixon told enforcement to stand down and the looting and the rioting continued, contrary to your statement which follows.
"Both were lawful, until they weren't and then law enforcement broke them up, in Charlottesville and Ferguson.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:45 PM
My statement was before the events you are talking about. Law enforcement broke up the protests in Ferguson as they saw them becoming violent, even though many people thought it was excessive force. The rioting and looting that ensued is a different thing.
Saying that the National Guard didn't use force to stop rioting is not the same as saying the police did not break up protests.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:56 PM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:49 PM
Rick
I had a first cousin who was a fireman in Ferguson for years and he lived there. His brother was with one of the Police Depts in the North County Area. Both were born in the area, Bissel Hills. Both are now retired and both have moved away as they stated they would before retirement. One is in West St. Charles County, the other in much further out, not sure the County. Both were fed up with the areas they had grown up and made their careers in.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:57 PM
When Columbus landed in 1492 there were around 60,000,000 People in the New World .
At the end of WWII in 1945 there were around 887,000
In the year 2017 the Self Righteous yell , "Black lives matter!" .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 3:58 PM
Wheels
Bones , my nephew , told me ambulance had trouble getting around ...9/11 was almost useless ...the LEOs were overwhelmed , the riots began and spread , nothing was "broken up" , as it were , it was followed ...
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:01 PM
St.Louis County and City LEOs were called in ASAP .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:02 PM
"My statement was before the events you are talking about. Law enforcement broke up the protests in Ferguson as they saw them becoming violent, even though many people thought it was excessive force. The rioting and looting that ensued is a different thing."
Have it your way, present some proof and you change your story. I will say this much then you can rail on all night. If the Police broke things up and put a stop to the rioting and looting, they sure did a fine job from the pictures of the burned out buildings that kept showing up days afterwards.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:02 PM
If the Police broke things up and put a stop to the rioting and looting, they sure did a fine job from the pictures of the burned out buildings that kept showing up days afterwards.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:02 PM
Hmmmm...you quoted me, but it seems you didn't actually read what I wrote.
"Law enforcement broke up the protests in Ferguson as they saw them becoming violent, even though many people thought it was excessive force. The rioting and looting that ensued is a different thing."
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:04 PM
"Law enforcement broke up the protests in Ferguson as they saw them becoming violent, even though many people thought it was excessive force. The rioting and looting that ensued is a different thing."
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:04 PM
Ok, I thought I was being nice, so let's just call your statement what it is.... BS.
The marching and the rioting carried on for days.
Since you know everything, give us a rundown on just when the marching stopped and the rioting begins.
In my opinion, at no time was the situation totally under control in those first few days.
Yes, the Police used a show of force, but it took many days before the situation was ever under complete control as you state in your post on the Virginia situation. These people in Ferguson also did not have an organized opposition to their protest as in Virginia either.
The comparison is like comparing apples and grapefuit.
I might also ask, if the Ferguson Police had such a tight rein on the crowds, what was the National Guard brought in for?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:17 PM
Yes, the Police used a show of force, but it took many days before the situation was ever under complete control as you state in your post on the Virginia situation.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:17 PM
Who said anything about being under complete control? I said the police broke up the protests.
I might also ask, if the Ferguson Police had such a tight rein on the crowds, what was the National Guard brought in for?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:17 PM
Who said the police had a "tight rein" on anything? I said the police broke up the protests.
The comparison is like comparing apples and grapefuit.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:17 PM
Only because you keep throwing a grapefruit in the bowl!
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:35 PM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:35 PM
Sneller, your post insinuates The Ferguson Police and Bingo!, it was all over.
Far from it. There is no legitimate comparison of Ferguson and the Virginia situation.
The Virginia situation got out of hand when a self ordained group of opposition ptotesters decided to not give another group, no matter how nutty their message, their First Amendment Rights. Then a loose cannon creates a tragic situation out of it.
If the opposing group had held their own rally somewhere else, I believe the entire thing could have been handled peacefully.
And I might add, if any minds would have been changed by either group and their protest message, it would have been minimal.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:55 PM
Sneller, your post insinuates The Ferguson Police and Bingo!, it was all over.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:55 PM
My posts do not imply that in the least. I think you chose to infer that anyway because you wanted to argue.
The Virginia situation got out of hand when a self ordained group of opposition ptotesters decided to not give another group, no matter how nutty their message, their First Amendment Rights. Then a loose cannon creates a tragic situation out of it.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:55 PM
The 1st amendment gave them the right of free speech and assembly, not the right not to be disagreed with.
And the "loose cannon" was simply a physical manifestation of the position of the white supremacists.
If the opposing group had held their own rally somewhere else, I believe the entire thing could have been handled peacefully.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 4:55 PM
It would be kind of silly to hold the anti-white supremacy protest anywhere except the white supremacists rally, wouldn't it?
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 5:19 PM
"My posts do not imply that in the least. I think you chose to infer that anyway because you wanted to argue."
No Sneller, the reason is I do not accept you as an authority on the subject, and if I do not agree I will say so.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 5:57 PM
No Sneller, the reason is I do not accept you as an authority on the subject,
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 5:57 PM
See, now you're just trying to argue again (or more accurately, to throw an insult at me).
You chose to infer something in my comment that wasn't implied because you don't accept me "as an authority?"
That doesn't even make sense.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 6:13 PM
Kind of an icky day outside, so I will take this time to rant a bit.
Let me start with the chaos in Charlottesville. When I witnessed the march and demonstrations in Charlottesville and present were the American Nazi Party, giving the Hitler salute, the entire effort trying to be made there lost any support I may have had for their cause. Along with the New Black Panther Party, BLM, ANITFA, ISIS and a host of other hate groups active within our cities, I place the American Nazi Party alongside them. I am thinking, even more so. That Nazi flag they so proudly carry represents the most evil and racist regime in the history of the world. What they do represent are a minority of ignorant, brain washed ***** that not only do they not represent the vast majority of white America, they disgust us. Over 600,000 Americans and allies died to bring down that flag, it has no place in our nation…period!!!
Condemning them does in no way condone the actions and cause of BLM and the other’s listed above. They are all cancers to a united America. My feelings are that just as the American Nazi Party does not represent white America, those groups like the Black Panther’s, BLM etc, do not represent black America. If these radical groups actually are supported by the majority of either race, then folks we are fighting a losing battle that can only be satisfied with violence. I pray that for my daughter, grandson and the rest of the nation, that is not the road we are headed down.
I am tired of thugs recognized as heroes, I am tired of record murders in our cities, when innocent children get caught in drug related crossfires. I am tired of our police officers being assassinated for doing their job. I am tired that some forms of protest involves looting and burning of neighborhoods. I am tired of watching over my shoulder every time I go into the city of St. Louis. Most of all, I am tired of the hatred, bigotry and division we are seeing between races these days. I saw it first hand growing up on the near northside. Then I joined the Marine Corps and witnessed what can be accomplished when races work together without race being an issue.
I will not argue that there is still prejudice prevalent today. Sadly that may never completely dissolve. But I do believe that during my 68 years on this planet, I have seen tremendous progress in that area. Now, it seems that almost overnight, racism has reared its ugly head again, to the level that takes us back prior to my time here.
So my suggestion is this. If we come in contact with each other, extend your hand and I will shake it, black or white. Without provocation I mean you no harm. I will give you, black or white the respect that you earn from me, and expect the same in return. But know this!!! If you are black or white, and intend harm to me, my family or friends I will not rest until my vengeance is satisfied .
~~ Bones
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 6:23 PM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 6:13 PM
This is what I said..........
No Sneller, the reason is I do not accept you as an authority on the subject, and if I do not agree I will say so.
This is what you changed my post to say......
No Sneller, the reason is I do not accept you as an authority on the subject,
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 5:57 PM
If you are going to quote me, please be honest enough to post a whole sentence on what I said. Not just what pleases you to do so.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 6:42 PM
The "black lives matter" should not have been allowed to fester , there would be a back lash , it was all a matter of time . Who allowed this Nation to get divided ??
"Can't we all just get along.."
~~Rodney King
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Richard Spencer to headline 'White Lives Matter Rally' at Texas A&M
White supremacist Richard Spencer is hosting a "White Lives Matter Rally" at Texas A&M University next month.
Spencer will be headlining the rally on the College Station campus, set to take place exactly one month after Saturday's violent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., The Texas Tribune reported Sunday
Preston Wiginton, another prominent white supremacist, is organizing the event. He sent out a press release Saturday with the banner headline “TODAY CHARLOTTESVILLE TOMORROW TEXAS A&M.”
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 6:58 PM
I think the founders of Federal government intended no restrictions on peaceful petition by people of their government. They never had any of intention of recognizing any supposed right to assemble peacefully or otherwise to petition other citizens they don't agree with.
No president, Trump Obama or other has any need to get involved past verbal condemnation or call for unity in local/state incedents
I stayed up most of the night watching live video from Ferguson. That night was not protest, petition to local government, it was looting and property destruction pure and simple and local and state government failed in not enforcing law.
I hope they took the to protect and serve off their police cars after all that.
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 8:18 PM
-- Posted by R. W. Bess on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 8:18 PM
Richard, I will catch hell for this statement, but I am going to make it anyway..... In our politically correct world, you will get a lot more forgiveness for your bad behavior if you are black. It has been proven time and again in these demonstrations.
I don't give a rats rear end what color you are, criminal behavior should have equal justice meted out to you.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 8:41 PM
It all boils down to whose definition of "peaceful" that counts .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 5:55 AM
Hmmmm! Do you think the Lil Playground Bully just woke up and realized he was tugging on Superman's Cape?
Or did he finally realize the "Red Line" artist was no longer President and we were no longer pushovers?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 8:23 AM
Bin Laden is rumored to be dead , wasn't this the reason to go into Afghanistan , find and kill Bin Laden ..
***************
Written in a tone of negotiation, the Taliban asked Trump to study the "historical mistakes" of his predecessors and to withdraw troops from Afghanistan completely.
The Taliban called on President Donald Trump on Tuesday to review the strategy for the war in Afghanistan and to hold peaceful dialogue directly with Afghans instead of engaging "corrupt" politicians.
Afghanistan was invaded by the United States in 2001 and has become Washington's longest military intervention since Vietnam. It has also been the costliest with more than $100bn spent.
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 8:42 AM
If you are going to quote me, please be honest enough to post a whole sentence on what I said. Not just what pleases you to do so.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Mon, Aug 14, 2017, at 6:42 PM
Nice. I point out how nonsensical what you said is, and your "retort" is that I didn't copy enough of what you said.
No matter how much of that sentence is quoted, it still makes NO sense as a reason to infer something from my comments that was in no way implied.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:33 AM
Or did he finally realize the "Red Line" artist was no longer President and we were no longer pushovers?
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 8:23 AM
That would make a lot more sense if there had been North Korean attacks between 2009 and 2016.
Ignoring your irrational hatred of Obama, the most reasonable explanation is that North Korea is all talk and has no intention of actually doing anything, just like it has been for the past 60 years.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM
Sneller,
Makes perfect sense, you made a BS statement and I disagreed then and still do.
The Talking Heads I saw on the the news channels last night agreed with me. The Police did a poor job of maintain control and the situations got out of hand.
Not because the Police are poorly trained or unwilling, but because they are prevented from doing their job by those in command.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:43 AM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM
You ignore the fact that until previous administrations allowed the Little Dictator to develop Nuclear Power we had little to worry about. Now we either stand him down, or have him dictate to the world.
He does not doubt Trump means business, so he has backed off, perhaps until we get another Milktoast President like Obama.
PS: I don't hate Obama, I simply despise him and just about everything he stands for.
Thank God we do not have Hillary Clinton as President during a crisis like this.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:52 AM
you made a BS statement and I disagreed then and still do.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:43 AM
I think you're so busy making sure you're always arguing and belittling me, you completely lost track of the conversation and making less and less sense.
Here's a brief reminder:
Ralph: Your statement implied X
Mike: My statement didn't imply that at all; you just inferred that because you wanted to argue.
Ralph: No, I inferred that because I don't accept you as an authority on the subject.
That comment makes no sense. You chose to infer something from my statement that wasn't implied because you don't accept me as an authority on the subject? That is not logical in the least.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:01 AM
Now we either stand him down, or have him dictate to the world.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 9:52 AM
It's sad that you have more respect for the dictator of North Korea than the democratically-elected President Obama.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:02 AM
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:02 AM
Respect, you know nothing of who I respect. In this case I couldn't have less respect for either of them.
Fear of a crazy man and their ability to hit where I sit, better describes what feel about North Korea's little mistake, or dictator if you will.
Thank you President Trump.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:10 AM
In this case I couldn't have less respect for either of them.-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:10 AM
When you say he can "dictate to the world," you are showing him a lot of respect.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:13 AM
The world is made up of optimists and pessimists . The optimist invent the airplane , the pessimist the parachute .
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:18 AM
When you say he can "dictate to the world," you are showing him a lot of respect.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:13 AM
That's where you are trying to twist things and are wrong.
Fear of someone's ability to create mayhem and respect for an individual are totally different.
What you are trying to twist is like saying carte blanche the whole world respected Adolph Hitler.
-- Posted by Ralph VanGennip on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 10:24 AM
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 2:48 PM
Prosecutors Are Demanding Information On People Who Visited An Inauguration Protest Website
"The request from the [Justice Department] demands that DreamHost hand over 1.3 million visitor IP addresses — in addition to contact information, email content, and photos of thousands of people — in an effort to determine who simply visited the website," DreamHost said in Monday's post [emphasis theirs]. "That information could be used to identify any individuals who used this site to exercise and express political speech protected under the Constitution’s First Amendment. That should be enough to set alarm bells off in anyone’s mind."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 2:56 PM
"That information could be used to identify any individuals who used this site to exercise and express political speech protected under the Constitution’s First Amendment. That should be enough to set alarm bells off in anyone’s mind."
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 2:52 PM
That's scary.
-- Posted by Mike Sneller on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 3:29 PM
What if it's People from Foreign States ?
-- Posted by Rick Scaggs on Tue, Aug 15, 2017, at 3:31 PM
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The president's campaign has been under investigation for colluding with foreigners to unfairly influence the election.
The attorney general had to recuse himself from the investigation because he had met with the foreigners and then lied about it to Congress.
The National Security Adviser was fired due to dealing with the foreigners.
The FBI director was fired and the president admits it was due to the investigation.
The press secretary abruptly resigns after six months on the job.
The president gives administration jobs which do not require Congressional approval to close family members.
The president continually speaks regarding the election and attacks the opponent he beat.
The president publicly attacks the Attorney General for a) not investigating said opponent and b) recusing himself from an investigation where he would give the appearance of bias.
The president demands loyalty.
The president begins the 2020 campaign on inauguration day and regularly holds campaign rallies.
The communications director (a Harvard-trained lawyer) tweets that the release of publicly available information is "a felony."
How can anyone continue to support this administration? It's clearly an unorganized mess. If the president has so little control over his own administration, how can anyone still think he's the right person to lead the entire country?
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