Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 11:17 AM:
Remember the market started falling because of the arrival of Obama was happening. Remember how national health care would save money and lower the debt. Remember how change was going to happen right away and we would be surprised.
Think before you vote tomorrow. Do you want more Obama? Wasting your vote to make a point is crazy right now. Your throwaway might be the vote for Obama to continue his reign.
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May a merciful God deliver us from the evils of Obamaism (rhymes with cannibalism).
-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 11:48 AM
What's a throwaway vote?
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 11:55 AM
Vote for a Democrat, DTower.
-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:02 PM
An alternative vote may be an investment for next time around.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:07 PM
"Remember the market started falling because of the arrival of Obama was happening"
You sir, are a moron...
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:17 PM
JUST VOTE !!
-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:32 PM
Isn't it about time for Theorist to give us a definition of "throwaway vote"? :)
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:32 PM
You sir, are a moron...
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:17 PM
Do you know me? You sir are a liberal. I have to make some hard decision Wednesday after the vote is in. I hope my men are still employed. It is that critical.
-- Posted by ...Rick on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:43 PM
That's a throw away. I understand the meaning but wait 2 years. I'm not trying to be mean. This vote is going to make or break a lot of jobs.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:53 PM
"Remember the market started falling because of the arrival of Obama was happening"
You sir, are a moron...
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:17 PM
How is that? Is that the way you challenge me? Poor job.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 12:55 PM
Other things to remember before voting on Tuesday:
McClatchy Newspaper-Marist Poll last week --
Of likely voters, 37% said President Obama had a better plan for the country, 31% said Republicans do, and 27% said neither do. Hardly an overwhelming tribute to Conservatives, and a plus for the President.
68% of likely voters said they want Congress to work with President Obama, which is in direct conflict with Congressman Boehner's pledge to make his job one of limiting the President to one term. In case he missed it, that is not the job of the Speaker of the House, and the Speaker's responsibilities are a bit more extensive.
Should Republicans decide to continue being the obstructionist "party of no," they will likely be punished by voters in 2012. Should they decide to work for the good of the American people, both they and President Obama can succeed.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 1:47 PM
"Do you know me? You sir are a liberal"
again sir, you are a moron... Just because someone isn't a conservative doesn't make them a liberal. One of these days you will wake up and realize the world isn't black & white. Then sir, you will no longer be a moron. I will pray you come to that realization sooner or later.
Your statement was completely unfounded and makes little to no sense at all. I doubt you could even name a manager market player that sold off because "obama was coming" ... it makes no more sense than
Remember the market started falling because God sneezed and it distrupted a butterfly flapping its wings and sent it and the market into a spiral...
That is how you sound... like a moron. Get it?
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 1:49 PM
commonsensematters wrote:
"Of likely voters, 37% said President Obama had a better plan for the country, 31% said Republicans do, and 27% said neither do. Hardly an overwhelming tribute to Conservatives, and a plus for the President."
The poll said Republicans, you changed it to Republicans. It is possible that they think Conservatives have a better plan, but the Republicans aren't conservative enough...
"In case he missed it, that is not the job of the Speaker of the House, and the Speaker's responsibilities are a bit more extensive."
Speaker Pelosi thought it was. When asked about her unwillingness to work with President Bush, she said her priority was getting Democrats elected to Congress.
Obstructionism is not necessarily bad for the American people. Working with the President is not necessarily good for the American people. I don't believe you complained too loudly when the Democrats didn't work with President Bush.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 2:02 PM
How are republicans obstructionists? Dems have enough votes in both houses to psss anything they want.
-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 2:10 PM
"Speaker Pelosi thought it was. When asked about her unwillingness to work with President Bush, she said her priority was getting Democrats elected to Congress."
While what you provided wasn't in quotes, if it was said... it shows everything wrong with our government today. Regardless of the party. It is more about getting elected than doing the actual job.
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 2:11 PM
I didn't put it in quotes because I did not have the actual wording. I'll try to find a link to the video later, too busy now. She said it 2009, I believe. I found a video link earlier, but I didn't trust the website - too many popups. I'll try to find a clean one.
It's on youtube if I can find it. There are too many Pelosi videos there to find it just by Googling her name.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 2:44 PM
AH! I found it easy enough: Here is the quote:
On Thursday, Pelosi protested that when she moved to the top spot in the Democratic caucus, her priorities necessarily changed and a letter of complaint was not her responsibility.
"My job was to change the majority in Congress and to change --- to fight to have a new president because what was happening was not consistent with our values, certainly not true and something that had to be changed. We did that. We have a new president. He says he's going to ban torture," she said.
"But no letter could change the policy," Pelosi said. "It was clear we had to change the leadership of the Congress and the White House. That was my job."
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 2:50 PM
Vote tomorrow as though your job and your livelihood were at stake.
-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 4:06 PM
Voy
You said it.
Fut Rant is only a child. The reason I know? My money is in that market.
Obama promised it all and failed. The Dem party has been at the helm and what has happened?
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 4:29 PM
What was it before the dynamic duo took over the leadership of the house and senate Ike??
Don forget.... tomorrow is "Take Out the Trash" day.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 4:35 PM
The Dow is 3,000 points lower today than it was at the start of Nancy Pelosi's first budget year.
Vote Republican tomorrow and end this four-year nightmare.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 5:03 PM
He wont tell you it was $11,000 plus will he.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 5:04 PM
Vote Republican tomorrow and end this four-year nightmare.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 5:03 PM
The nightmare started in November 2000 and we still haven't recovered.
-- Posted by concerned4all on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 5:44 PM
We Regret,
I have plenty of money in the market. I have over a decade of experience managing my own money. I do a **** good job too. Your money is a small fraction of a sliver of the market.
The dow is up 20% or so since Obama took office. None of it do I give him credit for. That would be foolish... just as it would to blame a crash on him. Or bush.
However I am disappointed Shapley, I know you dipise Pelosi. However the underlying reasons for the markets crash started occuring 2-3 years before Democrats took control of Congress.
Also if republicans have been so powerless since 2006 why are they even there? Shouldn't they just go on vacation and we can save some money, by my estimates, over $150,000,000 in congressional salaries, no including benefits or all the spending republicans have done that well into the billions.
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 5:48 PM
such as a majority who agree that the federal government should be spending to help create jobs instead of focusing primarily on deficit reduction.
-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:01 P
That majority needs a education. The feds need to stay out of the job growth market. The only jobs they grow are federal jobs.
They need to focus on reducing government as they should be. Leave the private sector to rebuild the jobs ,quit dithering, and let us know what is happening. They have left us to guess what they are up to next. They are forcing businesses to pull back and wait out the storm.
Will their next move be take our investment capital (my retirement) and divvy it up between the socialist? Who knows? I'm plying safe.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:17 PM
Theporist,
Your last post caused me as much laughter as Caddy's normally do.
Remember tomorrow is election day. Do not forget!
"TAKE OUT THE TRASH"
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:18 PM
Oops got an extra "p" into Theorist.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:20 PM
Oh no Theorist, you misunderstand. It is my job to help "Take Out the Trash"!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:37 PM
Theorist, Theorist,
I thought name calling was beneath you from what I have read in some of your past statements.
Me thinks you are letting this little backset in the overall Socialist Plan get the best of you.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 8:48 PM
No Theorist,
You called me names. You let your emotions get the best of you!
Why don't you pot a ballot with your picks so I will know how to vote?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 9:08 PM
Theorist said,
"The Republican party has been playing on the emotional dissatisfaction of the public, and just look at the posters on here. They follow it hook, line, and sinker."
Is this not what the Democrat Party did in the last presidential election? Does the words Hope and Change ring a bell?
"Vote tomorrow! And Vote informed and intelligently, not emotionally."
It's a shame people didn't do this 2 years ago.
-- Posted by Mowrangler on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 9:11 PM
futile_rant wrote:
"Also if republicans have been so powerless since 2006 why are they even there? Shouldn't they just go on vacation and we can save some money, by my estimates, over $150,000,000 in congressional salaries, no including benefits or all the spending republicans have done that well into the billions."
They are doing what their constituents voted for them to do, just as the Democrats are supposed to be doing. If the constituents don't like what they're doing, they'll replace them. We'll see tomorrow how that pans out. They've not been powerless, just as the Democrats were not in the decade-plus that preceded the 2006 elections. The Democrats didn't go home then.
However, the Democrats were handed a veto-proof Senate and large house majority, which they appear to have squandered. They've run us an additional $3 trillion in debt in just two years, $4.6 trillion since Nancy Pelosi took over the chequebook, with a paltry half-trillion in GDP growth to show for it. That is to say that Nancy Pelosi has rung up more debt in the not-quite-four-years since she took over the chequebook than the Republicans ran up since they control of that checquebook in 1994.
That is fact, not subject to dispute. When you factor in the differences between publicly-held debt then and now, the difference is even more remarkable.
Spaniard ignores the evidence I've posted that shows that the Democrats changed the priorities of spending, engaged in a budget battle with the president, passing four spending measures over the president's veto, and dragging out the battle over the others until late in they year. They also imposed a 40+% hike in the cost of low-wage labour, which evidence has shown again and again to be harmful to employment. The collapes of the Dow and the decline of GDP happened to coincide exactly with these things, but the supporters of Democrat policies prefer to think it is just a coincidence.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM
Shapley, I was arguing how you are trying to attribute Democrats taking office and the market crashing. When the reasons behind the market crash started years before.
-- Posted by futile_rant on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM
Tomorrow is the Day of the Guillotine. and heads are going to roll (figuratively speaking, of course).
-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:32 PM
Vive la Revolution!
-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:32 PM
"That is to say that Nancy Pelosi has rung up more debt in the not-quite-four-years since she took over the chequebook than the Republicans ran up since they control of that checquebook in 1994.
That is fact, not subject to dispute.
....The collapes of the Dow and the decline of GDP happened to coincide exactly with these things, but the supporters of Democrat policies prefer to think it is just a coincidence.
There are none so blind as those who will not see."
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 9:32 PM
There is blindness also, in those who are narrow to the extent of appearing to blame one individual for all of the financial ills that the country has experienced since 2006.
The question remains, is Speaker Pelosi so powerful that she single-handedly caused the collapse of the stock market, the pricked the housing bubble, implemented massive nation-wide unemployment, chased thousands of businesses overseas, caused major financial institutions to approach self-destruction, confused so many small businesses so they just don't know what to do, because of such terrible "uncertainty," etc., etc.
The really amazing aspect of her powers is that she was able to accomplish all of this without any help at all. Having the nation embroiled in two foreign conflicts had nothing to do with anything. Having unregulated, or under-regulated financial institutions creating "risky wealth-creating" products had nothing to do with anything. The fact that Republicans took an annual budget surplus and squandered it all had nothing to do with anything. Having business get tax breaks for moving jobs overseas had nothing to do with anything. Allowing mortgages to be bundled and sold and resold had nothing to do with anything. Permitting tax breaks to continue in the face of huge expenditures for military adventures and new prescription drug benefits had nothing to do with anything.
I'm sorry, Speaker Pelosi did have help. President Obama assisted her greatly in his drive to socialize, communize and ruin the whole country.
Please, SH, give us a break, there is plenty of blame to go around, don't paint a picture of innocent, untarnished Republican conservatives standing "cluelessly" around while the wicked evil Pelosi wrecked their miraculous castle on the hill. They had as much to do with today's problems as Democrats do.
The real issue now is whether the Republicans are going to do anything to benefit all Americans, or will their policies be designed to only aid and abet conservative politicians?
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:40 PM
Yes, and as the blade falls, we'll all sing one chorus of
"It Only Hurts for a Little While."
-- Posted by voyager on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 10:58 PM
It seems to be a talking point, Republicans gave tax incentives to big business to drive jobs overseas. What legislation was that?
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Nov 1, 2010, at 11:25 PM
commonsensematters,
Odd, given all the blame that has been put on President Bush, that you would suddenly find the idea that one person does not have that much power.
I reference Ms. Pelosi because her being seated as speaker is the reference point for Democrat Control of the House. The speaker does wield a lot of power, but it is her, as head of her party in the House, that compels the reference. It puts a face on the group, if you will.
But, you know that, you're just trying to deflect attention from what they have done. Shooting the messenger, if you will.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 7:52 AM
Shapley,
Come on now, I have never seen you of all people back away... Show me the legislation Pelosi supported that directly caused the market to tank...
the real estate bubble didn't start in 2006. The bank problems didn't start in 2006.
-- Posted by futile_rant on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 8:24 AM
Spaniard,
You keep claiming that President Bush approved the spending, yet I have shown you several times that at least four of the FY2008 spending measures were passed over his veto, and that he was never given the FY2009 spending measures to approve, with the exception of the continuting resolutions. So, yous, you are ignoring them.
Futile_Rant,
Nor has anyone provided any explanation of what President Bush did to cause the recession. I've repeatedly pointed to the minimum-wage hike, as well as the budget battle of FY2008 as 'triggers'.
I've also pointed out that the Democrats blocked measures to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac well in advance of the 2006 start date you mention, as well as blocking efforts to reform Social Security, thus indicating that entitlement reform was dead for the near-term.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:10 AM
Shape
There is no sense in head butting the democrats on this one. They are wrong and know it but their hope for a free ride overwhelms the facts.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 10:00 AM
_Regret_
I know. Methinks they are worried, but so am I. I don't predict elections - the number of takers has been overtaking the number of producers for years and, if the Democrats can mobilize them, the vote can still go the wrong way. Never underestimate the power of uninformed people in large numbers.
All I can do is to continue to post the truth, and my interpretation of the data, and hope that enough of the casual readers will realize the truth. It is no less than they are trying to do with their misinformation. They know I know better, and I know they know better, but their target is not me, it is the casual readers on the board here that will read the data and be persuaded.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 10:14 AM
As usual, Ike is being the perpetual airhead.
-- Posted by voyager on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 11:32 AM
Spaniard, Wasn't there something called mark to market rule [or some regulation that gave the banks grief] and tied up monies?
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 11:59 AM
Spaniard wrote:
"So four appropriations bills were vetoed? That's it? In two years? "
Four vetoes were overridden, in one year. None were submitted to be vetoed in the second year.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:18 PM
While the arguement of spending goes on, we will spend $200million in a day to have the president and his court India.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:27 PM
This is an opinion piece, to be sure, but it provides some background on the bill and on the level or risk taken by Fannie/Freddie at the time.
"How did we get here? Let's review: In order to curry congressional support after their accounting scandals in 2003 and 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac committed to increased financing of "affordable housing." They became the largest buyers of subprime and Alt-A mortgages between 2004 and 2007, with total GSE exposure eventually exceeding $1 trillion. In doing so, they stimulated the growth of the subpar mortgage market and substantially magnified the costs of its collapse."
Given the claims by Democrat supporters that the minority Republicans are blocking legislation today, I find your argument that the Democrats couldn't have blocked it in 2005 laughable. Granted, it requires a simple majority to move it out of committee but, if all Democrats stand against it only takes one Republican 'swing vote' to kill it. So it is with the current legislation. The Republicans, even though united against it, cannot block it on their own, they have to have willing partners on the other side of the aisle, but they get the credit (or blame) for the failings.
Not all sub-prime mortgages were at fault. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac undertook the riskier ones, and were prodded in their efforts largely by Congressional Democrats.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:29 PM
With his superior knowledge of everything, I am surprised Ike's name is not on the ballot...
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:31 PM
Mark-to-Market accounting required the banks to adjust their balance sheets to the ever-changing market values of the collateral they loaned. Their liquidity requirements fluctuated with the market as a result of the Mark-to-Market requirements. It was not 'sleight-of-hand', it was just a bad idea that was intended to ensure that their liquidity requirements were met current to economic conditions.
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:34 PM
If Ike lived where I do, he would have to go to church to vote.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:35 PM
Old John,
I had to go to school.
Ike would have complained about seperation of Church and State.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 12:47 PM
I'm glad to hear fat people vote too. Thanks for the update Caddy.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 1:02 PM
*walk into the forum cautiously, wearing a hockey mask and carrying a bat*
Wow! Looks like things got a bit vicious in here.
-- Posted by Egotistical_Bigot on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 1:04 PM
Regardless of who "wins", there should be no joy in Mudville tonight. The Republicans couldn't get it right when they were in charge and neither could the Democrats.
My only hope is that both parties realize that they cannot continue down the same path and expect to stay in power.
We should be electing people to serve us, not rule over us.
-- Posted by Acronym on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 1:50 PM
Looks like the Carnahan legacy is coming to an end. Thank God.
-- Posted by vulcan2004 on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 8:27 PM
Could we hear a resounding Amen??
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 8:35 PM
AMEN!!!!!!
-- Posted by Mowrangler on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:01 PM
AMEN, champagne is poored, let the celebrating begin
-- Posted by Skeptic1 on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:04 PM
Amen./ The people have spoken.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:12 PM
Maybe Caddy, Theorist, Ike and all the other libs are taking a fleet of U-Haul trucks to Washington DC. I hear they are in short supply tonight.
-- Posted by Mowrangler on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:12 PM
Maybe Caddy, Theorist, Ike and all the other libs are taking a fleet of U-Haul trucks to Washington DC. I hear they are in short supply tonight.
-- Posted by Mowrangler on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:12 PM
Judgement Day hath come and Obama style govenment has been judged.
Wonder if Ike will be predicting the demise of the Democrats tomorrow. I remember his predictions from 2008.
Now the big question is, will the current crop of hired hands we are sending to Washington to do our work remember how they got there... or will they screw it up like Obama and his Democratic Super Majority did? If we do not hold them accountable this will have to be repeated again in two years until they understand who they work for!
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:25 PM
The repubs are on double secret probation. They had better watch their P's and Q's.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:29 PM
no melange- it was the champagne :)
-- Posted by Skeptic1 on Tue, Nov 2, 2010, at 9:35 PM
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Remember the market started falling because of the arrival of Obama was happening. Remember how national health care would save money and lower the debt. Remember how change was going to happen right away and we would be surprised.
Think before you vote tomorrow. Do you want more Obama? Wasting your vote to make a point is crazy right now. Your throwaway might be the vote for Obama to continue his reign.
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